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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But considering the obscurity of the words and their irrelevance to actual language syntax,


I guess Dickinson isn't your cup of tea either. She was pretty well irrelevant to actual language syntax also.

The only real thing I know about "learning" a language is that there is no one way of learning nor really any way to actually know what a person has learned in language (other than far down the road).

We also have NO IDEA of the student's levels or abilities nor what went on prior or after the making of this video. It is never WHAT that is the problem, it is always the HOW.

Nothing is a waste of time if it involves the human spirit. Didn't seem to me like these kids were "flat tyres". But like I said, I just don't know.
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Last One Standing is an awesome idea. I'm going to try that with my 5th and 6th graders since they hate the public school songs


go4it! Make sure to use songs with proper syntax and not so much obscurity....... and no shaking of the hips either!

DD
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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While I admit it's an impressive use of time, it's not an English lesson at all. Nor is it conducive for language learning.


Er...why not?

I don't seem to remember the guy saying this was his entire lesson. Or did he say that?

I do remember him mentioning they spent time on this during a week-long summer camp.

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it's not a good use of parents money for an English camp.


Do we know if the parents paid for this camp? My English summer camp was free for all elementary school students 4-6.



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If we wanted, we could take a test of all the students and see if they understood all the words, how the words are ordered and their ability to manipulate the words into cohesive meaning. Somehow I fail to see any of them doing anything more than holding up a sign.


Wow, I am so glad you're not my teacher. A huge part of learning another language is actually finding ways of motivating students to want to continue learning that language, and English is no exception.

These kids probably needed a break from the "Okay, can you manipulate the words into cohesive meaning?" BS they have to deal with on a regular basis anyway.

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Consider this, I learned the lyrics for an Entire Korean song. I can sing the whole song and even the dance moves. However, I have no idea what the words mean. Even though what I can do can be considered more impressive, it is still by no means an efficient way to learn then language. In this case, it was probably less effective.


How was it less effective, exactly? Also, why did you learn the words to the Korean song? Was it for some purpose, or did you just randomly decide to do it one day because you were bored?
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DaeguKid



Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drop some e in their milkus next time, and then they will be into it! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
DK
ps, its a joke people!
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great song for comparatives. Heck, the elementary PS book has it as their chapter that we're covering this week.

I'm setting up a Last Man Standing game to this song.

Each student has a student number. Go by their last digit 0-9. Give each number a single lyric to copy on a blank piece of paper.

Side A
0 Work it
1 Do it
2 Make it
3 Makes us
etc.

Side B
0-2 Ever
3-5 After
6-7 Our work is
8-9 Never over

If there are extra lyrics, put them on the back. When they hear their lyric sung, they stand up in tandem.

Pretty slick.

Here's the pattern I set up for the song:
0, 2, 1, 3
4, 6, 5, 6
8, 9, 9, 8-9
0-2, 3-5, 6-7, 8-9
0, 4, 2, 6, 1, 5, 3, 7
8, 0-2, 9, 3-5
6-7, 8-9
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mole



Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff!
I see the only negative, well, not necessarily negative, but
"How does that equate to an English lesson?" comments are from n00bs, 2009.
I'm not going to explain it, but if you last your year, you'll agree this guy's a hero.
You'll feel like a hero too, when you pull off something cool in the classroom.
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tigershark



Joined: 13 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha ha you guys are hilarious. The guy does something creative and interesting and then you say it's not educational. I mean don't you realize that it's not always the product but more the process of learning. I mean realistically I'm Canadian and took FSL and I literally can speak the bare minimum of French. I basically learned nothing. I bet you Americans are the same way with Spanish. Teaching is about helping to create well adjusted adults who can contribute to society. It's not always about grammer syntax. Not to mention the previous poster who said they might of had a presentation to do at the end of his camp or whatever.

So lay off.
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proustme



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
The only real thing I know about "learning" a language is that there is no one way of learning nor really any way to actually know what a person has learned in language (other than far down the road).


This activity should involve the students speaking, at the very least, and some comparison activities as a follow up. Too often speaking takes a back seat to doing good comprehension worksheets on the language.

One needn't go far down the road to know if a student has learned the language terms. A simple followup speaking or writing activity can determine whether or not the language terms have been learned.

As for nothing is worthless if it involves the human spirit. That's a bit too abstract and mellifluous. These students should learn the language items in a variety of ways, practice them in writing and speech, and then demonstrate them in a way that can verify correct usage and pronunciation.

The girl with the 'N' has an interesting part.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a neat idea, and I've actually done something similar (but not as elaborate) in another context. Although I had them singing a song (not this song), not just sitting around waiting for their cue to hold up signs.

I can't say it's all that educational either-- there's no speaking, and very little reading and writing involved... maybe there's listening, but there's not so much variation. I'm also not so sure that he has tried to reach his students-- this looks more like he just thought 'this will be cool', and did it.

To tell the truth, putting all of this together probably wasted time that could have been spent actually dealing with the students and tailoring lessons to their needs, as opposed to the teacher's whims.

On the other hand, as a video on the Internet, it is pretty entertaining, and the boredom of the students just makes it funnier.
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Goon-Yang



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you haters realize that camps have little performances at the end for the other students/parents.

A lot of camps put aside "home room" or a few mins a day to perfect your gig.

If this performance went over like his tape of it did...then he got first at the end of the camp. I bet the mom's and dad's congragulated hi and patted him on the back.

N00bs should keep their mouths shut for their first year. Doesn't matter where they are or what job they have.

STFU haters. That was pretty damn good.
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