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Yaya
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 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: Mayweather vs. Juan Marquez Fight Sept. 20 (Korea time) |
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Don't forget one of the big fights of the year. It'll be on Sunday, Sept. 20, and the undercards will probably start at 10 a.m. while the Mayweather-Marquez finale will be around noon or after.
It's gonna be on the cable channel KBS N Sports. |
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avatar7gt
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| cant really imagine it will actually happen it but id love to see marquez ruin his ModEdit.gona be great fight tho! |
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Medic
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't maywether's father coach Oscar Delahoya? |
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Yaya
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mayweather needs to win to set up the lucrative match next year against the winner of the Pacquiao-Cotto fight. I've been reading that Mayweather might be overrated even though he never lost a pro fight.
Watching the fight on KBS N Sports is sure better than shelling out $50 on PPV or $15 to see it in a theater. |
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thomas pars
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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this very well might be a good match. but i doubt it. i think the outcome is already known. Mayweather is faster smarter, tougher. I think the tough Marquez will last till the 6th round.
What is more of a question is where was the Mayweather- Pacquia fight? It was the most logical next match. And i would argue it was the match most fans wanted to see. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Damn I was gonna make a thread about this. Good to see other boxing fans on this board. The only drawback to watching it live in Korea is listening to the horrible KBSN commentators. They're still better than the MMA commentators on Superaction though.
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| I've been reading that Mayweather might be overrated even though he never lost a pro fight. |
Overrated how? There is a lot of Mayweather hate even though the guy has always performed consistently. People forget the guy started at featherweight and give him crap for not being as aggressive against natural welterweight fighters. Mayweather is simply the most talented and skilled boxer in this generation.
This fight should be exciting due to Marquez and his warrior spirit, but he's gonna likely lose against the bigger, faster, more skilled boxer. Marquez has a tendency to fight fire with fire, which will only give Mayweather more counter opportunities. I expect Mayweather to showcase his fighting ability on the inside.
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Mayweather- Pacquia fight? It was the most logical next match. And i would argue it was the match most fans wanted to see. |
Yes. The most sensible thing they should do is match Mayweather and Pacquiao should they both win their next fights. Even though I'm a big Cotto fan and think he'll win, Pacquiao vs Mayweather is the biggest match that can happen right now. Shite, they should even if Pacquiao loses. Not that Cotto vs Mayweather isn't a good fight.
You guys should check out Mayweather - Marquez 24/7. Its out on torrents. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Just found out that HBO posts 24/7 episodes 5days after they air.
First episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdH-Ot87rsE
To anyone who doesn't know what 24/7 is, its a documentary style countdown show that follows the life and training of the fighters, their family, and team. It is an extremely well-made show and hypes up the fight very well. I show it to people who don't care for boxing and even they love the show. |
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asmith
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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It's a shame.
Floyd is gonna get knocked out. So is Manny.
Bad match ups for both of them.
They should have fought each other. |
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Yaya
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Cotto's problem according to one analyst is that he needs to plant his feet to deliver power punches, whereas Pac-man does not.'
The knock on Pac-man is that he has gone against the advice of trainer Freddie Roach and will train in the Phils, where distractions abound. Most also say Cotto is Pac-man's toughest opponent to date. |
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greasypeanut
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| wait....this fight is going to be free on tv?!?!?!?!? |
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Yaya
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| greasypeanut wrote: |
| wait....this fight is going to be free on tv?!?!?!?!? |
It will be on the cable channel KBS N Sports so if you get this channel, you won't pay anything extra to see it, as well as the Nov. 15 fight between Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto. |
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riverboy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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this very well might be a good match. but i doubt it. i think the outcome is already known. Mayweather is faster smarter, tougher. I think the tough Marquez will last till the 6th round.
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I think the only thing Mayweather has in that department is speed. He is not faster than Marquez, nor is he tougher; if Marquez can stand toe to toe with Manny Pacquiao for twenty four rounds, he can handle Mayweather's one shot at a time defensive fighting style.
Marquez is probabally the most intelligent figher in the world right now, who has an uncanny ability to figure out his fighter as the fight goes on. He has tons of heart, is a brilliant counterpuncher and most importantly, he is a volume puncher. He never throws one punch at a time, he will throw three and four punches at Mayweather and that is exactly what Mayweather hates. I can see this being a very uncomfortable fight for little Floyd and would not be surprised if Marquez upset Maweather in this fight.
He is smaller and older, which will make it difficult for him, but he is a consumate pro, who will come in ready and well schooled on Mayeather. I'm not a gambling man, but if I was, I'd throw some money towards Juan Manuel on fight night. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| asmith wrote: |
It's a shame.
Floyd is gonna get knocked out. So is Manny.
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Care to provide an explanation?
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Cotto's problem according to one analyst is that he needs to plant his feet to deliver power punches, whereas Pac-man does not.'
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Pacquiao's mobility is probably the biggest weapon he has against Cotto but I'm gonna lean toward Cotto in this one. As you said, he is the best fighter Pac has fought so far. The way you defeat a faster guy is with a powerful jab and body punching, and Cotto has both. The guy's jab is one of the best and his left hook to the body is simply incredible. The one thing I don't like from Cotto is that he has a tendency to fight defensively at times even though he is most effective when walking down opponents. He also tends to gas in the later rounds, which might be fatal against Pacquiao. Outright picking a guy is difficult though because despite Cotto's strengths, Pacquiao (like Mayweather) is talent like no other. Pac's tenacity and speed can overwhelm Cotto in the later rounds but because Pac is so tough and talented, its gonna be hard for Cotto to finish him early. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
I think the only thing Mayweather has in that department is speed. He is not faster than Marquez, nor is he tougher; if Marquez can stand toe to toe with Manny Pacquiao for twenty four rounds, he can handle Mayweather's one shot at a time defensive fighting style. |
Are you saying Mayweather isn't faster than Marquez? I think Mayweather is visibly faster than JMM based on their training videos. Its hard to say Marquez will be as fast as before because he is going up in weight. Toughness is hard to determine, but I think you are underestimating Mayweather. He gets a bad rap for being a pot shotter but this style is an adjustment he makes against bigger guys (remember Floyd isn't a natural welter) and his hand problems. He clearly has the ability to fight agressively and punch in volume as shown in his earlier fights against similar sized opponents and more recently, against Hatton.
If you're talking toughness Floyd won his first world title at 21 after breaking his right hand (the only "down" he's ever received) and then beating the guy with his left. Marquez showed incredible valour against Pacquiao, but Pacquiao wasn't at 144 when they fought and even though he has a lot of power and speed, Pac doesn't have the accuracy and ability to mask punches like Floyd does. Its punches that you don't see that hurt you, rather the ones that hit you hard. Floyd doesn't show it often, but the guy is also a superb infighter. With Marquez being the smaller fighter and Floyd's seemingly healed hands, we might see Floyd show aggression and volume.
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| Marquez is probabally the most intelligent figher in the world right now, who has an uncanny ability to figure out his fighter as the fight goes on. He has tons of heart, is a brilliant counterpuncher and most importantly, he is a volume puncher. He never throws one punch at a time, he will throw three and four punches at Mayweather and that is exactly what Mayweather hates. I can see this being a very uncomfortable fight for little Floyd and would not be surprised if Marquez upset Maweather in this fight. |
Marquez is a smart fighter, but so is Floyd and I don't what you're basing on Marquez being the "most intelligent." If you're talking ring generalship, I believe Floyd is superior. Marquez has a tendency to reach with his punches when fustrated. Against a technical master like Floyd, this may be a problem. Marquez was outboxed and lost several rounds against Juan Diaz and Casamayor, who are no chumps, but nowhere near the technical skill of Mayweather. As for volume punching, its what Corrales Castillo, Baldomir, Judah, and De La Hoya all tried to do and failed. Volume punching might defeat Floyd, but Marquez doesn't have the punch output and power to do what so many others tried to do and failed. Paul Williams is perhaps the guy that might give Floyd trouble in terms of volume. Funny you say "little" Floyd when he's the bigger guy in this fight.
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Yaya
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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It's good that we have a good boxing debate going. Pacman is an early 2-1 favorite over Cotto but that could change because Pac opted to train in Baguio against the advice of his trainer, who said there's just too many distractions in the Phils with all of the media attention on Pac.
I know the promoters want both Pac and May to win to set up boxing's biggest payday in a long time. Pac is a champ through and through but perhaps he might be losing focus because of his win over Ricky Hatton. I'm no boxing expert but it seems neither fight has a clear-cut favorite, and that's what will make them exciting. |
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