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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Quitting ... can I get another job? Reply with quote

I'm actually asking this on behalf of a friend, not me ...
Sorry if this topic has already been covered but I wasn't able to find anything when I searched.

A friend of mine arrived in Korea about 2 weeks ago. She is considering a midnight run. She would rather quit her job and find another one because she wants to stay in Korea ... is this possible?
She is miserable at her job ... the recruiter lied to her to get her here (told her that there were 6 foreign teachers at the school). She is in a very small city and not only is she the only foreign teacher at her school, she has not seen even one other foreigner in the past 2 weeks. She received no training and the manager yells at her, etc. Basically she is miserable, lonely, and wants to move to a bigger city and a better school. Is this possible if she quits her current school?
Also, is it possible if she just leaves without notice, or would she have to give notice? She is afraid that they will deduct money from her check for recruiter fees, etc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest getting fired. Seriously. Not show up, show up late, do a lousy job. Then a letter of release should be forthcoming soon. When next boss asks, she can say she was miserable there and boss was a jerk. Better than running I believe. Not sure. Take my words as written in water.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she resigns, she's not obligated to give notice (unless it's in the contract). However, the boss will most likely make he life a living Hell and not pay any money owed - claiming recruiter's fees etc.

If she gets fired, the boss must legally give her 30 days advance notice of dismissal or pay in liew. However, (if not 'turfed' and made homeless immediately), the boss will most likely make her life a living Hell and not pay any money owed - claiming recruiter's fees etc.

Either way, a Letter of Release will do no good - she can't have sponsorship of her visa transferred to another employer because she has not worked for nine months yet. However, this rule has been known to be overlooked by Immi officers.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has she considered yelling back at her manager etc. and make his life miserable? If she is the only FT then she is valuable and has some leverage. Has she come on to the Dave's? I haven't seen a foreigner since June GEPIK orientation. It horrifies me to think all this Korea bashing reminds me a little bit of home, but at the same time, comforts me a little.
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Korea bashing??? And no she doesn't come on Dave's ...

Thanks for the suggestions ... so technically, unless she meets a really nice Immigration officer, she can't move to another city and get another job? That sucks but thanks for the info ... I'll let her know.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant 'Korea bashing' in general sense, not particularly to this post.

Being comforted etc... I was talking about myself. I could've put it more succinctly, I suppose. I was suggesting maybe if she's isolated like I am, she can come to Dave's and vent.
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotcha.

I don't know if venting is going to be enough though ... she really wants to leave that place.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit

Sorry I found out what the problem is. I can't understand their English too well. So I keep getting lost in translation moments.


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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="cruisemonkey"[/quote]

Quote:
If she gets fired, the boss must legally give her 30 days advance notice of dismissal or pay in liew. s.


[bolding mine]

Depends on what she was fired for. The labor laws state that if an employee has caused "considerable difficulties" to the business, then the employer may not have to pay the employee.
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teachergirltoo



Joined: 28 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
I've thought about quitting so many times.

The latest row might be it for me. My English department made it very clear that I am not teaching conversational English. I am to read the speaking section of the book and to keep repeating it till the kids can memorize it.

Regardless of the fact that I made it very clear that 90% of the kids do not understand what they are learning.

I even offered to teach 4 hrs of after school programs, everyday for free. If I can both teach Conversational English and do it my way. And the unanimous decision of the department was that, anything I teach at this school happens their way. Is this typical of public schools or some weird power trip so they don't feel bad for not doing enough?


Always remember that your Principal is your boss, not the English Dept. Do not volunteer to teach anything for free. Possibly this is your first teaching experience? Just remember that you are a valuable and respected colleague at the school, and do not let anyone make you feel inferior or intimidated. If you have TEFL or TESOL training right off the bat you are more qualified than any of them to decide how best to teach. Have you been to the orientation seminar yet? The administrators will state very clearly from the stage that it is UP TO YOU how the English is taught and you are not hemmed in by the textbooks. Present yourself as a professional and be assertive in a respectful way otherwise you will get bull-dozed over and have a very difficult year.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall, you been there what, 3 weeks? Already offering to teach for free? You are simply too much.

Agree to do what they want and then don't do what they want but do what you want.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachergirltoo wrote:
winterfall wrote:
I've thought about quitting so many times.

The latest row might be it for me. My English department made it very clear that I am not teaching conversational English. I am to read the speaking section of the book and to keep repeating it till the kids can memorize it.

Regardless of the fact that I made it very clear that 90% of the kids do not understand what they are learning.

I even offered to teach 4 hrs of after school programs, everyday for free. If I can both teach Conversational English and do it my way. And the unanimous decision of the department was that, anything I teach at this school happens their way. Is this typical of public schools or some weird power trip so they don't feel bad for not doing enough?


Always remember that your Principal is your boss, not the English Dept. Do not volunteer to teach anything for free. Possibly this is your first teaching experience? Just remember that you are a valuable and respected colleague at the school, and do not let anyone make you feel inferior or intimidated. If you have TEFL or TESOL training right off the bat you are more qualified than any of them to decide how best to teach. Have you been to the orientation seminar yet? The administrators will state very clearly from the stage that it is UP TO YOU how the English is taught and you are not hemmed in by the textbooks. Present yourself as a professional and be assertive in a respectful way otherwise you will get bull-dozed over and have a very difficult year.


Edit

Sorry I found out what the problem is. Its either I'm misunderstanding what they're saying or they can't completely understand me. We keep running into these Lost in Translations Moments. So I've started doing probes to make sure we'll talking about the same thing.


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teachergirltoo



Joined: 28 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then you take a teacher by the hand and go to the principal's office and get him/her to sit on the couch with you and translate your words, and his. You will get yourself into a heap of frustration if you start using your English co-teachers as intermediaries. They will tell you what they want and your Principal will probably not have a clue as to what is going on. If you drag someone in there and sit down with him then you will actually know that he thinks, as it is coming out of his mouth. Let him know you are a capable teacher and know how to conduct classes. This goes for every issue that you will face in the school, not just with this one - vacations, the whole works of things that will come up. Let him know that you are experiencing problems with some co-teachers not working properly with you and this is "jeopardizing the students learning". If you put him in the proper position, and your co-teachers in the proper position, you will probably find that working in the public school goes much smoother.
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Eel4Real



Joined: 15 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, this thread is about my situation. I asked my friend to post for me because I didn't have an account and I needed some urgent advice.

Since she posted, things have gone from bad to worse. Just a little background info:

The recruiter and the school lied to me so I would take the job. I specifically requested a school with other foreign teachers, and they assured me there were 7 others at this school, but there are none. The director keeps deducting fees from my wages: Alien card, visa, gas, electricity, phone, internet, etc. I wasn't given any training, simply put in a classroom and told to teach. Half of my classes do not have textbooks. I have finished the textbook for two of my classes (they were nearly done when I got here), and the director simply told me to "start book again," so we turned to page 1 and began again. The school just installed video cameras and recording equipment in the classrooms and break room, so I have no privacy. The won't let me sit in my classroom during free periods, but rather make me sit with the receptionist so that the parents will see a white lady when they come to pay the bill. They are forcing me to teach illegal early morning classes without paying me extra. They requested I dye my hair brown or blonde, instead of my current colour (black). The director went through my list of students and told me which ones to be "special nice to" because the have younger siblings she wants to enroll.

I have decided to leave. I accept that I can't get another job, but what is going to happen to me if I go back to the States without giving notice? Can I get into trouble? I am really worried, but this is crazy. I can't stay in this school any longer.
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Eel4Real



Joined: 15 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, what will happen if I don't receive my alien card before my pay date (October 1st)? Will the hagwon pay me in cash? I need that money to flee. I don't want to stay a second longer than I have to. Can they withhold my pay if I don't have an alien card?
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