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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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so umm I didn't want to go on a rant about this film after seeing it with my friends because they all loved it, and I didn't want to get into an argument that might ruin their good mood....
but that was easily one of the worst films I've ever seen.
Brad Pitt was dreadful. Every single dumbass american stereotype thrown together.
The main villain looked like a rob brydon impersonation - i do not like rob brydon.
Mike Myers, like what? That same old joke about tea and crumpets/stiif upper lip ol bean/1940s englishman thats been made a million times over ... yeah that's great .... that'll carry a film.
Tarantino is just a joke by now. At least in Pulp Fiction you had iconic characters being insanely cool so you let them away with the hackneyed dribble that tarantino writes. But this really is just dreadful.
The one scene that had some promise was the opening. Except that gets ruined because
a) it is way too long
b) its tarantino so you know that the jews are going to get murdered. I at least thought Tarantino might have the decency to put in something unexpected/shocking to merit the lenght of the opening, but no;
I mean when you see the pipe carved in hebrew you know exactly whats going to happen, but wait oh no, we need to listen to more dialogue that goes nowhere for what seems like half an hour before he shows us people under the floorboards - y'know because the audience hasn't figured out yet whats happening - and then another year or so later the scene ends ....
And I'm not even touching on how offensive it is to treat WW2 like this. |
ouch..
so you hated it then  |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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The best thing I've heard this movie described as is 'a Jewish wetdream'.  |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Not one comment on how this movie makes the holocaust into a cartoon?
Is this what / how we teach our youth? It's all just entertainment - who cares about historical accuracy?
I've been a student and a voice (as much as I can) for a remembrance of the holocaust. However, not at any cost. Not at the cost that it is about revenge, not that it is "nothing important" , a cartoon, not if it is rewriting history. Spielberg was a Jew and understood. Stone, knows that all films are political in nature. Tarantino is just a decadent. That's why he'll never be great - he doesn't see film as "a voice" but just as entertainment. Fine but he'll never be great. He's the Disney of action flicks.
This movie should have a disclaimer, then I'd be more comfortable with it. The fact of the matter IS that 85% of westerners (I'm being overly generous) will consider this fact. As something that happened. Truth is, the nazis were imglorious bastages - for every one killed of them, they'd throw a hundred innocent down a well. Those that didn't take revenge, like the wet zionist dream of this movie - are to be commended. They saved lives. And that is what it is about during war. Saving lives. Living to the end.
But if you treat this movie like a piece of bubble gum - it's good. Just remember to spit it out....
Just my two cents and sordid review...
DD
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| The fact of the matter IS that 85% of westerners (I'm being overly generous) will consider this fact. |
Corrrection: 85% of Americans will consider it fact;
25% of Kiwis, overestimated. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
But if you treat this movie like a piece of bubble gum - it's good. Just remember to spit it out....
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As a director, Tarantino is immature. As a human, based on the stuff I read about him and the interviews I've seen of him, he's also immature. He's like an idiot savant when it comes to films. And it is reflected in his own work--it's always about revenge. That is how deep it goes. But he's part of the zeitgeist now. He knows how to entertain and he is a fluent screenwriter, if verbose. As long as this kind of film doesn't become the norm as it pertains to the Holocaust, like action hero girls who can kick the tar out of a man 300 pounds heavier than her. That is Hollywood. |
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Craven Moorehead
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Not one comment on how this movie makes the holocaust into a cartoon?
Is this what / how we teach our youth? It's all just entertainment - who cares about historical accuracy?
I've been a student and a voice (as much as I can) for a remembrance of the holocaust. However, not at any cost. Not at the cost that it is about revenge, not that it is "nothing important" , a cartoon, not if it is rewriting history. Spielberg was a Jew and understood. |
Is there anything in Tarantino's film as vulgar as the scene in that most hallowed of Holocaust totems, Schindler's List, in which the post production colorization of a young girl's red coat is employed to amplify the scene's tragic value?
The point that you have missed completely is that Tarantino is actively engaged in exposing the cheapening, rewriting, and liquidation of history through its cinematic representations, all the while making a self aware contribution to that very legacy. Think Peckinpah meets Beckett and you just might get it.
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| This movie should have a disclaimer, then I'd be more comfortable with it. The fact of the matter IS that 85% of westerners (I'm being overly generous) will consider this fact. As something that happened. |
The disclaimer that you so desperately sought was there at the beginning of the film. Tarantino inserted a title card which read "Once upon a time...in Nazi occupied France" in exactly the same spot "Based on a true story" usually goes in "event" films like Munich and Defiance. I think you underestimate the 85% of westerners who will regard this as mere entertainment (albeit elegantly shot and cleverly scripted entertainment) and not miss the point and condemn it as historically inaccurate or trivializing. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| As a director Spielberg is cloyingly sentimental. He makes Jews appear weak. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| The point that you have missed completely is that Tarantino is actively engaged in exposing the cheapening, rewriting, and liquidation of history through its cinematic representations, all the while making a self aware contribution to that very legacy. Think Peckinpah meets Beckett and you just might get it. |
I think you are dressing up the prostitute for the town ball. Foucault would be proud of you - any French in you?
I know my Peckinpah and Beckett inside out . Peckinpah was about "realism" and redefining a very phony genre. Tarantino makes it all into a comic book, he makes it all "phony" and there is nothing "real" about his movies. They are pure fantastic violence, not real violence. Beckett - a shame to mention Tarantino in the same breath. May I say even absurd. Tarantino doesn't challenge anyone to think about anything (maybe Foucault).
Simply put - your giving the guy way too much credit. He makes fun movies and that is all there is to it. But when he makes a movie such as this one - it deserves to be put in its place as pulp pulp pulp fiction.
Ok, as Beckett said, "I can't go on, I'll go on" or something such....
PS. that is not a disclaimer, that is classic Tarantino "cool". That's what he wants his movies to be. Cool. No depth, statement, no thought or truth. Just cool. They are but that's it and that's why he isn't great.
DD
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Craven Moorehead
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| The point that you have missed completely is that Tarantino is actively engaged in exposing the cheapening, rewriting, and liquidation of history through its cinematic representations, all the while making a self aware contribution to that very legacy. Think Peckinpah meets Beckett and you just might get it. |
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I think you are dressing up the prostitute for the town ball. Foucault would be proud of you - any French in you?
I know my Peckinpah and Beckett inside out . Peckinpah was about "realism" and redefining a very phony genre. Tarantino makes it all into a comic book, he makes it all "phony" and there is nothing "real" about his movies. They are pure fantastic violence, not real violence. Beckett - a shame to mention Tarantino in the same breath. May I say even absurd. Tarantino doesn't challenge anyone to think about anything (maybe Foucault). |
First of all, the predominant theme that dogged Peckinpah�s work throughout his career is the idea of the individual seeking nobility amidst violent circumstances. Dustin Hoffman�s rage in Straw Dogs or the final shoot-out at the end of The Wild Bunch exemplify this idea. Shoshannah�s thwarted revenge on the murderer of her family in a final conflagration of film (subtext which I�m sure you could probably figure out) mirrors William Holden dying in a hail of blazing gunfire.
Samuel Beckett used the devices of self- reflexivity, irony and intertextuality to undermine the conventions of Modernism in drama. Tarantino has used these same mechanisms in his entire body of work. However, whereas Beckett was more interested in tearing down what had come before and regarded all as Sisyphian, Tarantino incorporates homage and pastiche with the aforementioned dramatic devices to pay tribute to his film icons. The parallel I drew was done in a flippant manner, but is completely valid.
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| Simply put - your giving the guy way too much credit. He makes fun movies and that is all there is to it. But when he makes a movie such as this one - it deserves to be put in its place as pulp pulp pulp fiction. |
Simply put, I give credit where credit is due. And instead of bandying dead white philosophers around, why don't you try some alive white philosophers, like Zizec?
Finally, I am half French, not that it's any of your business, f*ckstick. |
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nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Great movie.
Saw a release poster at Yongsan - October 15th. Gonna have to see it again in theaters for that final scene... errr in the theater. |
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megandadam
Joined: 28 Dec 2008
Location: toronto, canada
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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i just watched this movie and it was one of my fav. tarantino films.
also, he's not going for historical accuracy here so don't expect it. has tarantino ever went for anything that closely resembles reality???
the long dialogue scenes were great. the jew hunter was awesome (great actor). brad pitt's character was over-the-top but i think was meant to be.
jewish wet dream is right, but rest of the world probably wouldn't mind that outcome either. it's spaghetti western in ww2, get over it.
slamming it for not being historically accurate isn't fair, as he never intended all of it to be. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I did not enjoy this at all. |
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