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vegemite99
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 Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: To give notice or not to give notice?? |
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Here's hoping this question is allowed on Dave's...
I'm pretty sure I'm about to quit my public school job. I have worked my 6 months so don't owe the school any money. Would I be better to give the 2 months notice prescribed in the contract, or just leave?? Would love opinions for and against..
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fromtheuk
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Unless you have a job lined up that requires you to start immediately, then I'd advise you to give the proper notice and then leave.
I used my recent divorce as a reason to leave without giving proper notice. I had a job lined up, but they wanted me to start right away. So, I decided to run because I really didn't want to pass up on the new job offer.
I told my school a day on a Sunday by email. I'm not proud of it, but glad that I did it. I'm still waiting for a visa for the new job now.  |
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DAC
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Barring extreme circumstances, I'd say it's always good to give notice, as it's required by law, and you don't want that black mark against you in the future. Plus, it gives your school time to find a replacement. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Unless you have a job lined up that requires you to start immediately, then I'd advise you to give the proper notice and then leave.
I used my recent divorce as a reason to leave without giving proper notice. I had a job lined up, but they wanted me to start right away. So, I decided to run because I really didn't want to pass up on the new job offer.
I told my school a day on a Sunday by email. I'm not proud of it, but glad that I did it. I'm still waiting for a visa for the new job now. |
Great way to go. I'm sure whatever country you are going to is sooo lucky to have FTUK as a quality teacher.
You are a credit to the profession.
Really there is no sarcasm here at all.  |
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Burndog
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: To give notice or not to give notice?? |
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| vegemite99 wrote: |
Here's hoping this question is allowed on Dave's...
I'm pretty sure I'm about to quit my public school job. I have worked my 6 months so don't owe the school any money. Would I be better to give the 2 months notice prescribed in the contract, or just leave?? Would love opinions for and against..
Cheers |
Give notice. Unless your circumstances are really extreme...there's no reason NOT to give notice. I mean...it's a really crap thing to do a runner on a school for no reason (do you have a reason?). It also makes foreigners in Korea look like arseholes who just up and run whenever it suits them. In short, it's the right thing to do, it's honest, and it's not going to cost you anything or hurt you in any way....why be a coward? |
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Gyopo949
Joined: 18 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
Unless you have a job lined up that requires you to start immediately, then I'd advise you to give the proper notice and then leave.
I used my recent divorce as a reason to leave without giving proper notice. I had a job lined up, but they wanted me to start right away. So, I decided to run because I really didn't want to pass up on the new job offer.
I told my school a day on a Sunday by email. I'm not proud of it, but glad that I did it. I'm still waiting for a visa for the new job now. |
I was under the impression that you couldn't start a new job/get a new visa unless your old employer cancelled the original visa. And they obviously wouldn't do that if you screwed them over by quitting without warning. |
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Gyopo949
Joined: 18 Aug 2009
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I would give a warning. Especially, if you liked your school and they treated you well. They followed the contract by giving you an apartment, paying you on time, taking care of the airfare, etc. They did their part, so you should do the same.
Second, if you go without telling them, you're only putting more work on your co-workers who will be the ones who have to cover your shifts...as well as putting unecessary stress on the principal. And I agree with the poster above (Burndog)...you'll make foreigners look bad by ditching the school like that.
Besides, by reading the threads and that one story about 100 public school teachers being dropped, I doubt it'll take that long for the school to find a replacement.
So give notice.
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Michelle
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: To give notice or not to give notice?? |
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| vegemite99 wrote: |
Here's hoping this question is allowed on Dave's...
I'm pretty sure I'm about to quit my public school job. I have worked my 6 months so don't owe the school any money. Would I be better to give the 2 months notice prescribed in the contract, or just leave?? Would love opinions for and against..
Cheers |
I guess because they are a PS they might pay you until the day you leave.
There will inevitably be some disagreement about airfare and severance though.
Does anyone disagree? |
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Gyopo949
Joined: 18 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: To give notice or not to give notice?? |
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| Michelle wrote: |
| vegemite99 wrote: |
Here's hoping this question is allowed on Dave's...
I'm pretty sure I'm about to quit my public school job. I have worked my 6 months so don't owe the school any money. Would I be better to give the 2 months notice prescribed in the contract, or just leave?? Would love opinions for and against..
Cheers |
I guess because they are a PS they might pay you until the day you leave.
There will inevitably be some disagreement about airfare and severance though.
Does anyone disagree? |
I think the poster understands that he will not get his return airfare or severance for not completing the year. And whether he understands it or not, I'm sure his contract will say in no uncertain terms, that you don't get those two things, along with pension unless you finish the year. |
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DAC
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Location: South Korea
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No severance period for less than one year consecutive employment at the same place.
Airfare will depend on the DTs in your contract. |
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cherrycoke
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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I'm actually having the same dilemma. For me school starts in late January and so I'm going to have to quit public school. I didn't really plan quitting before I got this job, I just happened to get accepted last month and the start date is early.
You guys have done a good job pointing out reasons why it is in the best interest of the school to give notice. Unfortunately as a teacher I don't find it compelling here's why:
1. Dealing with K-teachers
Once it becomes known that you are quitting they will try spending time with you, try talking you about it, maybe even get mad at you for your 'betrayal'. This reaction is something I expect from my co-teachers and staff. You might even be dragged into soju parties you don't even want to go to, you know the ones where you just sit there like a dog for 6 hours pretending to be having a good time damaging your liver by exchanging drinks with everyone while talk about you in front of you.
Like it or not, the K-teachers and students will feel saddened and somewhat betrayed by your decision to leave early. You'll have to deal with their emotional grief for a month or two if you give notice.
2. Not coming back to ROK
I'm sure I'm not coming back to Korea. Therefore even if I am blacklisted or whatever it doesn't matter to me.
3. There is no guarantee
that you will get a release letter. Some PS's dont give them out to early quitters regardless of notice. It's happened. Also you cant really expect a good reference from an employer you quit early on (assuming you want to work again in ROK).
4. Other reasons
I want to avoid a messy break up with the woman I'm currently seeing that is in love with me. I'm not sure I want to give her 30 days notice either. Although she is an educated doctor I find her to be crazy. I don't want to find out how she will take her disappointment out on me.
There are probably other reasons but these are good enough for me. Seeing how I'm nothing more than a native speaker I wont be leaving a burden even if I disappeared tomorrow.
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: To give notice or not to give notice?? |
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| Gyopo949 wrote: |
| I think the poster understands that he will not get his return airfare or severance for not completing the year. And whether he understands it or not, I'm sure his contract will say in no uncertain terms, that you don't get those two things, along with pension unless you finish the year. |
Airfare (Exit Allowance) and severance - NO.
Pension - YES. |
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cherrycoke
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: To give notice or not to give notice?? |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| Gyopo949 wrote: |
| I think the poster understands that he will not get his return airfare or severance for not completing the year. And whether he understands it or not, I'm sure his contract will say in no uncertain terms, that you don't get those two things, along with pension unless you finish the year. |
Airfare (Exit Allowance) and severance - NO.
Pension - YES. |
question: To collect your pension I hear you have to go to the K-embassy in your own country. Do they give you a hard time for collecting? I think they might know you've pulled a runner. |
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tenchu77491
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gyopo949 wrote: |
| fromtheuk wrote: |
Unless you have a job lined up that requires you to start immediately, then I'd advise you to give the proper notice and then leave.
I used my recent divorce as a reason to leave without giving proper notice. I had a job lined up, but they wanted me to start right away. So, I decided to run because I really didn't want to pass up on the new job offer.
I told my school a day on a Sunday by email. I'm not proud of it, but glad that I did it. I'm still waiting for a visa for the new job now. |
I was under the impression that you couldn't start a new job/get a new visa unless your old employer cancelled the original visa. And they obviously wouldn't do that if you screwed them over by quitting without warning. |
Not true. The school must report a missing teacher and in 2 weeks or so the visa in canceled (as long as you left the country). |
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Gyopo949
Joined: 18 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Gyopo949 wrote: |
| fromtheuk wrote: |
Unless you have a job lined up that requires you to start immediately, then I'd advise you to give the proper notice and then leave.
I used my recent divorce as a reason to leave without giving proper notice. I had a job lined up, but they wanted me to start right away. So, I decided to run because I really didn't want to pass up on the new job offer.
I told my school a day on a Sunday by email. I'm not proud of it, but glad that I did it. I'm still waiting for a visa for the new job now. |
I was under the impression that you couldn't start a new job/get a new visa unless your old employer cancelled the original visa. And they obviously wouldn't do that if you screwed them over by quitting without warning. |
Not true. The school must report a missing teacher and in 2 weeks or so the visa in canceled (as long as you left the country). |
But the guy is not leaving the country. He's working elsewhere...So your comment doesn't apply here. |
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