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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Visitorq, in an act of desperation, brought up Rockefeller again.
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| Wow, you sure no how to blab about nothing. Brzezinski and Vance are both subordinate to David Rockefeller. Controlled opposition is the name of the game, in order to fool stupid people like 'ubermenzch' (who has the most ironic name in daveseslcafe history). Nevertheless, it is Rockefeller who funds it all, and calls all the shots. |
Rockefeller funds it all, and calls all the shots. The Triteral Commission members are all subordinate to David Rockefeller. What he says goes right?
Yet I have shown that there were huge differences in the approaches advocated and fought over by the Trilateral Commission members who filled top administration positions. Vice President Mondale, National Security Adviser Brzezinski, and Secretary of State Vance. I have also shown that Carter did not one-sidedly follow the advice of one man or woman in particular, but rather the decisions made were in reaction to events in a fluid environment, with Carter seeking and listening to differing points of view.
You claim that "controlled opposition is the name of the game", in order that you may dismiss my facts as irrelevant. You're playing what you percieve as your trump card again. Rockefeller is the boss of Brzezinski, so he must be controlling Brzezinski, or at the very least they are working in tandem to control Carter. President Carter as vehicle, for Rockefeller and Brzezinski to steer in whichever direction they chose. Carter is powerless to resist their strangely effective powers of persuasion. Except of course on those occassions when he is, such as on Nicaragua policy and security relations with China early in the administration.
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| p.s. I know it must sting you for me to write off all your hard work like that - but it really is all nonsense. You just plain missed the point, and basically failed all around. Better luck next time. |
Yes, I did feel a sting. It slowly paralyzed me, and I found myself unable to control myself. I spoke words which were not mine. I took actions which I had no intention at all of taking. It was shortly afterwards that I noticed I was feverishly plotting out an upcoming Eugenics information session for my elementary school gifted class, and the horror struck me.....
I TOO HAD SUCCUMBED TO ROCKEFELLER'S NEFARIOUS DESIGNS!! !!! |
Let's get this straight: you're actually trying to suggest that Carter was a free-thinking 'man of the people', who rose to power on his own merit and popularity, and acted on his own principles while being surrounded by 'dissenting' voices and advisers? Are you trying to make me laugh?
As I showed, they are ALL members of the David Rockefeller run Trilateral Commission (that includes Mondale too).
You think you've proven that they were dissenting, when you really have no idea what they talked to each other about behind closed doors. The only real facts here is that they were all working together and that entire thing was funded by the richest man in American history, so we can be quite certain it was done with his agenda in mind. Vance, Brzezinski, Carter, Mondale, and Volcker were all deeply involved Trilateralists. To say they may have disagreed on certain issues may or may not be true, but the overall agenda is very much the same. They work for the boss.
This is all so obvious, and you're trying to spin it as if there was no agenda. As if Carter was working for the American people who voted him in (none of whom had any idea what the Trilateral Commission was), and not for the interests of David Rockefeller, the man who funded his campaign, made his candidacy for president viable, and basically made him into what he was. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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"David Rockefeller's newest international cabal [the Trilateral Commission] ... is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States �The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power � political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."
-Senator Barry Goldwater, �With No Apologies� 1979 |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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From visitorq;
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| Let's get this straight: you're actually trying to suggest that Carter was a free-thinking 'man of the people', who rose to power on his own merit and popularity, and acted on his own principles while being surrounded by 'dissenting' voices and advisers? Are you trying to make me laugh? |
That's a very amiable, naive straw man you've set up for us! I do hope that tearing it down gave you some measure of satisfaction. 
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| As I showed, they are ALL members of the David Rockefeller run Trilateral Commission (that includes Mondale too). |
Yes. The top posts of his administration were filled by members of the Trilateral Commission. Mondale too. I have at no point denied this. I mentioned it several times in my posts in fact.
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| You think you've proven that they were dissenting, when you really have no idea what they talked to each other about behind closed doors. |
I have given specific examples, backed up by credible sources, which show that there were major differences in the approaches advocated by those members of the administration who had been Trilateral Commission members to the most important issues confronting the administration. By contrast, you have given us conjecture. Sure, I can't be certain of what was discussed behind closed doors. But neither can you. We can only read the accounts of the players involved, and decide whether they are trustworthy. What you are suggesting is that these administration members conspired to mislead the public about the decision making process inside the White House. That they created the impression of vigorous internal debate and differences of opinion. But it's all conjecture.
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| This is all so obvious, and you're trying to spin it as if there was no agenda. As if Carter was working for the American people who voted him in (none of whom had any idea what the Trilateral Commission was), and not for the interests of David Rockefeller, the man who funded his campaign, made his candidacy for president viable, and basically made him into what he was. |
The Trilateral Commission is a very powerful lobbying group. It obviously had a lot of influence on the Carter administration and it's policies. This is indeed lamentable. But it was one of a host of influences. Your argument is woefully lacking in nuance. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Yes. The top posts of his administration were filled by members of the Trilateral Commission. Mondale too. I have at no point denied this. I mentioned it several times in my posts in fact. |
Your first reply to me in this thread was to mock the notion that "David Rockefeller" was involved. You arrogantly assumed otherwise, and then when I went on to show you he was not only involved, but central to the entire set up (funding Carter, grooming him from the beginning, introducing him to all the right people, and making his entire political career), you tried to squirm your way out of it.
Now you even admit you were wrong, but you're trying to save face (as if you weren't denying it in your first post). Nice try.
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| You think you've proven that they were dissenting, when you really have no idea what they talked to each other about behind closed doors. |
I have given specific examples, backed up by credible sources, which show that there were major differences in the approaches advocated by those members of the administration who had been Trilateral Commission members to the most important issues confronting the administration. |
You have done no such thing. None of your sources contains anything from those Trilateral members themselves (as my sources do), and give no account whatsoever as to what actually went on behind closed doors.
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| By contrast, you have given us conjecture. Sure, I can't be certain of what was discussed behind closed doors. But neither can you. We can only read the accounts of the players involved, and decide whether they are trustworthy. What you are suggesting is that these administration members conspired to mislead the public about the decision making process inside the White House. That they created the impression of vigorous internal debate and differences of opinion. But it's all conjecture. |
It is no conjecture to say that the Trilateral Commission is headed by the most notorious bankster in American history. This is a fact - David Rockefeller runs all these think tanks. He is the kingpin.
If you are actually dumb enough to think this is just some innocuous 'coincidence', then there's no helping you.
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| This is all so obvious, and you're trying to spin it as if there was no agenda. As if Carter was working for the American people who voted him in (none of whom had any idea what the Trilateral Commission was), and not for the interests of David Rockefeller, the man who funded his campaign, made his candidacy for president viable, and basically made him into what he was. |
The Trilateral Commission is a very powerful lobbying group. It obviously had a lot of influence on the Carter administration and it's policies. This is indeed lamentable. |
I'll take this as your admission that you were wrong. See what happens when you're arrogant? (mocking the notion that the Rockefellers could possibly be involved, when you actually knew nothing about it) - you later have to squirm your way out of it. Next time, save yourself the trouble.
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But it was one of a host of influences. Your argument is woefully lacking in nuance. |
My argument is as plain as day, any conjecture notwithstanding. You haven't shown any other influence whatsoever - other than your ridiculous truism that "events happen randomly", as if this makes the overall Trilateral Commission agenda, and the involvement of nearly every single member of Carter's admin an irrelevant 'coincidence'. This is what you are trying to argue (no strawman here). I suspect even you don't believe it, but you're so concerned with trying to save face (after being so totally off base on the involvement of Rockefeller) that you're willing to ignore the obvious. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Bears repeating:
"David Rockefeller's newest international cabal [the Trilateral Commission] ... is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States �The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power � political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."
-Senator Barry Goldwater, �With No Apologies� 1979 |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Your first reply to me in this thread was to mock the notion that "David Rockefeller" was involved |
Nope. It was to mock the notion that Carter was anyone's puppet.
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| Now you even admit you were wrong, but you're trying to save face |
I am satisfied that I have shown your original assertion to have been very much wrong. Go ahead and try to confuse the argument by saying I'm backing down on certain points. I'm not bothered in the least. I know that I will be vindicated by anyone's perusing the contents of this thread. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Your first reply to me in this thread was to mock the notion that "David Rockefeller" was involved |
Nope. It was to mock the notion that Carter was anyone's puppet. |
"YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations! Do tell us visitorq!"
Eat crow.
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| Now you even admit you were wrong, but you're trying to save face |
I am satisfied that I have shown your original assertion to have been very much wrong. Go ahead and try to confuse the argument by saying I'm backing down on certain points. I'm not bothered in the least. I know that I will be vindicated by anyone's perusing the contents of this thread. |
Go ahead and feel satisfied (if you can stop squirming that is). It doesn't change the fact that I trounced you in this debate. Vindication, indeed  |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Your first reply to me in this thread was to mock the notion that "David Rockefeller" was involved |
Nope. It was to mock the notion that Carter was anyone's puppet. |
"YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations! Do tell us visitorq!"
Eat crow.
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| YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations |
I have room at my table, visitorq. Won't you join me for a bite? I'm sure you've grown used to the taste, and besides, I've spiced this particular crow up considerably.
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Your first reply to me in this thread was to mock the notion that "David Rockefeller" was involved |
Nope. It was to mock the notion that Carter was anyone's puppet. |
"YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations! Do tell us visitorq!"
Eat crow.
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| YAY!! More silliness from the dean of silly! I'd like to hear how Carter was a puppet. I bet it involves that charming Rockefeller and this New World Order thingy, or maybe that dastardly United Nations |
I have room at my table, visitorq. Won't you join me for a bite? I'm sure you've grown use to the taste, and besides, I've spiced this particular crow up considerably. |
Wit just isn't your forte huh...
anyway, I'll just leave you with this:
"David Rockefeller's newest international cabal [the Trilateral Commission] ... is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States �The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power � political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."
-Senator Barry Goldwater, �With No Apologies� 1979 |
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Wit just isn't your forte huh... |
As nuance and subtlety of thought aren't yours. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Wit just isn't your forte huh... |
As nuance and subtlety of thought aren't yours. |
What I meant was if you're incapable of actually being funny, then just keep your abortive "witticisms" to yourself. I don't even mind being made fun of if the other person is actually clever/funny. With you, however, it's just embarrassing...
Anyway, 'subtlety of though' aside - why is it that I have to quote Senator Barry Goldwater three times for you? Cat got your tongue? |
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ubermenzch
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Wit just isn't your forte huh... |
As nuance and subtlety of thought aren't yours. |
What I meant was if you're incapable of actually being funny, then just keep your abortive "witticisms" to yourself. I don't even mind being made fun of if the other person is actually clever/funny. With you, however, it's just embarrassing...
Anyway, 'subtlety of though' aside - why is it that I have to quote Senator Barry Goldwater three times for you? Cat got your tongue? |
Oh, I was expected to react to it? I didn't see the need. I've already won the arguement, and it's obvious you're only trying to drag it out, so that you may cloud the original disagreement and have a chance to redeem yourself. Good luck with that.  |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Visitorq;
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| Wit just isn't your forte huh... |
As nuance and subtlety of thought aren't yours. |
What I meant was if you're incapable of actually being funny, then just keep your abortive "witticisms" to yourself. I don't even mind being made fun of if the other person is actually clever/funny. With you, however, it's just embarrassing...
Anyway, 'subtlety of though' aside - why is it that I have to quote Senator Barry Goldwater three times for you? Cat got your tongue? |
Oh, I was expected to react to it? I didn't see the need. I've already won the arguement, and it's obvious you're only trying to drag it out, so that you may have a chance to redeem yourself. Good luck with that. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Already, Obama has appointed 11 members of the Trilateral Commission to top-level positions of power. His Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. His ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice is a member of the Trilateral Commission. His National Security Adviser, James L. Jones, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. His Deputy National Security Adviser, Thomas Donilon, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. The Chairman of his Economic Recovery Board, Paul Volcker, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. His Director of National Intelligence, Dennis C. Blair, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. His Assistant Secretary of State, Kurt Campbell, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. His Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg, is a member of the Trilateral Commission. The other three Trilateral Commission members appointed by Obama are Richard Haas, Dennis Ross, and Richard Holbrooke, who are all special envoys to the State Department.
It seems like much of the State Department has been taken over by members of the Trilateral Commission, but what about the head of the State Department? It's Hillary Clinton, and while she's not officially part of the Trilateral Commission, her husband Bill is. In addition, she and her husband are members of the Bilderberg Group, which has close links to the Trilateral Commission.
Trilateral Commission member Timothy Geithner is running the Treasury Department, and he has several advisers. They are E. Gerald Corrigan (Trilateral Commission), Alan Greenspan (Trilateral Commission), and Paul Volcker (Trilateral Commission). After college, Geithner's first job was working with Trilateral Commission member Henry Kissinger at his company Kissinger & Associates. Kissinger was a key adviser to John McCain, who was part of the Trilateral Commission's sister organization (The Council on Foreign Relations). Is the Trilateral crowd running both sides?
The Secretary of Defense is Robert M. Gates, who was Jesuit-trained at Georgetown University. Gates' mentor is Brent Scowcroft, a member of the Trilateral Commission. Scowcroft also serves as an 'unofficial adviser' to Obama.
The extremely powerful World Bank is currently headed by Robert Zoellick, a member of the Trilateral Commission. The World Bank makes loans to 177 countries who serve as members of it. These loans are known to put the countries into debt, ending up making them slaves of the Bank.
When Barack Obama was taught at Columbia University, he was chosen as one of 8 students who was allowed to be taught under Zbigniew Brzezinski, a famous foreign policy expert who was Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser. Now, Brzezinski, Obama's teacher, is his key 'behind-the-scenes' foreign policy adviser. Brzezinski is (get this) the co-founder of the Trilateral Commission.
So, let's take a look:
The Treasury Department is controlled by a member of the Trilateral Commission.
The Economic Recovery Board is controlled by a member of the Trilateral Commission.
The top 3 positions in National Intelligence are controlled by members of the Trilateral Commission.
The State Department is dominated by members of the Trilateral Commission and it is led by a woman who is married to a member.
The World Bank is controlled by a member of the Trilateral Commission.
The Defense Department is controlled by a guy whose mentor is a member of the Trilateral Commission.
The main 'behind-the-scenes' foreign policy adviser to Obama (and the man that taught him) is the co-founder of the Trilateral Commission.
Now let's look at some history:
*Since it's creation, every President and Vice President except for Obama and Biden have been members of the Trilateral Commission.
*Six out of eight World Bank Presidents have been members of the Trilateral Commission.
*Eight out of ten US Trade Representatives have been members of the Trilateral Commission.
*Nine out of Twelve Secretaries of Defense have been members of the Trilateral Commission.
*Seven out of Twelve Secretaries of State have been members of the Trilateral Commission.
WHY DOES THIS MATTER?
The Trilateral Commission is a globalist organization. It's goal is to implement world government. This is, of course, a threat to freedom, national sovereignty, and constitutional liberties. The Commission was founded by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski, both of whom have publicly admitted their globalist agenda.
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, visitorq, for all the specifics you have given regarding the tentacles of the Trilateral Commission, and how the permanent government controls whomever they end up placing in the driver's seat called the US presidency.
As these groups lose layers of secrecy with which they attempt to surround themselves, perhaps we can be more effective at resisting them. |
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