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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| And you are still talking as though were it not for Islam, no Afghani man would be getting his jollies with prepubescent girls. |
BB, you seem to me to keep missing the point (whether purposefully or not) of what SS is saying. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Accuracy, please. It is not the Koran etc. |
I said the Qur'aan and/or the Hadeeth.
In an individual who seeks justification in the Islamic texts for marriage to a child, the justification exists. And in an individual who seeks justification for ignoring Islamic scholars who diverge from the mainstream, the justification exists.
| Big_Bird wrote: |
And you are still talking as though were it not for Islam, no Afghani man would be getting his jollies with prepubescent girls. You know quite well your line of argument is moronic, but here is a list of countries from UNICEF showing Pecentage of women age 20-24 who were first married/in union by the age of 18
As you look down you'll see many of the big offenders, such as Nepal, Malawi, Madagascar and Zambia are largely free of Islam, or countries that only have a minority of Muslims, such as Uganda and India. Africa and the Indian Subcontinent seem the worse affected, followed by Latin America. |
Well, if child marriage occurs in non-Muslim contexts, Islam cannot possibly inform child marriage. Also, if other things besides alcohol can cause an individual to drive recklessly, alcohol cannot cause an individual to drive recklessly.
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Even if Afghanis suddenly converted en mass to Christianity, it is very likely their traditional marriage practices would persist. |
Well, if child marriage would persist under Christianity, it couldn't possibly have ever been the values and the culture of Islam that informed child marriage. Likewise, if Afghanis converted en masse to Christianity but retained praying five times per day and fasting, the culture and the values of Islam cannot have ever informed the practice of praying five times per day and fasting.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| And you are still talking as though were it not for Islam, no Afghani man would be getting his jollies with prepubescent girls. |
BB, you seem to me to keep missing the point (whether purposefully or not) of what SS is saying. |
Then please do spell it out for us.
The whole point of this thread was to discuss how little things have changed for women in Afghanistan. Instead of liberating them, we threw them back to lions, putting the same horrible misogynist extremists rapist-thugs back in charge who'd been there before the Taleban. The Taleban has only been one set of scumbags replacing another set. We put the original filth back in charge, and pretended the Northern Alliance was some kind of feminist organisation!
At home we were giving a whole load of propaganda about how our invasion was going to lift the plight of women, and in fact, we did nothing for them. Perhaps we even made their situation worse. But SS doesn't want to discuss this, because he supports it, and isn't here to acknowledge that it. is. all. bollocks. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| And you are still talking as though were it not for Islam, no Afghani man would be getting his jollies with prepubescent girls. |
BB, you seem to me to keep missing the point (whether purposefully or not) of what SS is saying. |
Then please do spell it out for us.
The whole point of this thread was to discuss how little things have changed for women in Afghanistan. Instead of liberating them, we threw them back to lions, putting the same horrible misogynist extremists rapist-thugs back in charge who'd been there before the Taleban. The Taleban has only been one set of scumbags replacing another set. We put the original filth back in charge, and pretended the Northern Alliance was some kind of feminist organisation!
At home we were giving a whole load of propaganda about how our invasion was going to lift the plight of women, and in fact, we did nothing for them. Perhaps we even made their situation worse. But SS doesn't want to discuss this, because he supports it, and isn't here to acknowledge that it. is. all. bollocks. |
I don't have to spell anything out, I just thought you were dancing around his point (for example, with anecdotal evidence of your Libyan friend and whatnot).
I personally agree that the whole US/UN/NATO/Afghani/what-have-you affair was poorly conceived and implemented (if you see it from the perspective of an average person such as myself). The Taliban are hanging out in Pakistan anyways, ferchrissakes, so I don't know why we continue to screw around in Afghanistan. MSM and government officials, by-and-large, just keep offering the same BS.
Very frustrating. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| TUM, play this conversation out with SS if you like, but I'm not interested in this line of discussion anymore. . |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| You pretend to have liberated the Afgan women...and yet you've propped up vicious savage misognists every bit as bad as the Taleban themselves. |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| I'm sure I've not done either. What was that you were saying about "fantastists" inventing one's views? |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| And now I know you are going to struggle to process that which I have written here. and you are now going to say that I support the Taleban. |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Could you please repeat that phrase about "fantasists" inventing one's views. Didn't catch it the first time... |
Yeah, it's probably a good idea for you to stop now. |
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