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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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You have used Mathaba which was started up by Libyan intel 3x .
Mike Delany is a neo nazi.
Casper doesn't wan't to see a discussion of sources. Discussion of sources is fair game.
Free speech for 9-11 conspiracy theorists is free speech for them and not for others . It mirrors their view of democracy which is violent overthrow the government when they don't like it.
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Enrico Palazzo Mod Team


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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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One, we don't like how things are degenerating on this forum, and we will come back and clean house if necessary again. Two, people have a right to debate sources. Members can't dictate discourse on the forums. It doesn't work that way. The sticky isn't owned by anyone. Three, the use of the term troofer seems rather derogatory. It seems like there is a problem of allowing some democratic form of exchange. As far as the Charlie Sheen and Mathaba, I suppose that can be question, but I haven't seen how that was done in detail. Is it done over and over to simply harass a poster? If so, that's kind of overstepping things. We are concerned about how things have degenerated over here...
Any other comments from other users about what's been going regarding the mess?
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| As far as the Charlie Sheen and Mathaba, I suppose that can be question, but I haven't seen how that was done in detail. Is it done over and over to simply harass a poster? If so, that's kind of overstepping things. |
If the same exact article is posted in hundreds of other news sources, how much does Mathaba have to do with it that it should be excoriated as a source? Were it the only source, or if all the others reposted it from there, then by all means, attack it. However, neither of those is the case.
So instead of discussing Sheen's 9/11 contentions, we are discussing Mathaba. I just believe that if someone wants to discuss Mathaba instead of 9/11, it should be done in a different thread. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Mathba was used more than once, besides it is worth knowing that a site started by a foreign intel service is involved in 9-11 conspiracy theories. And of course Khaddafy's Mathba is there to inform and educate us all cause the great leader Khaddafy is a voice for peace, justice, and liberal democracy worldwide.
Sources are fair game.
In the future why not news from North Korea as well? |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: ... |
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Oh.
Just noticed this.
Per the 9/11 discussion, Joo and I, in an ironic turn of events, find ourselves on the same side. While I don't particularly find Joo's Mathaba argument compelling, he is playing Charlie Sheen, who is in turn guilty of posting an imaginary interview with the President (http://www.ethiopianreview.com/articles/29669).
To my knowledge, Charlie Sheen is not a poster on this forum. Ergo, he is fair game, especially when he invents conversations.
I wouldn't describe this as spamming, especially when parties to both of these stickied discussions are prone to ignore evidence presented to them and then subsequently regurgitate the same arguments as though they had not already been addressed.
The "squibs" argument is a good example. It was debunked early, then bacasper returned talking squibs.
I don't see a proper mod-intervention tactic to prevent him from reintroducing such topics, but I find it interesting that he indulges in such practices and then accuses others of spamming.
Furthermore, it would appear that the individual making these complaints is the same one who off-handedly refers to people who voted for Obama as "clowns" and compares Obama to Hitler.
I happen to support his right to make such statements, but not at the expense of me being allowed to respond in kind.
Someone got ridden out of here for using "Amerikkka". I didn't support it, but I think he should have been free to use this interpretation.
When you point a finger, three fingers point back at you.
First they came for the communists...
Be careful what you wish for. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Per the 9/11 discussion, Joo and I, in an ironic turn of events, find ourselves on the same side. While I don't particularly find Joo's Mathaba argument compelling, he is playing Charlie Sheen, who is in turn guilty of posting an imaginary interview with the President (http://www.ethiopianreview.com/articles/29669).
To my knowledge, Charlie Sheen is not a poster on this forum. Ergo, he is fair game, especially when he invents conversations. |
If you were to actually read Sheen's article, you'd see that he explicitly states, "This interview hasn't actually happened...yet." The significance of his letter is all the good questions he poses to which a great many citizens are seeking answers.
Joo doesn't address Sheen at all, only Mathaba.
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I wouldn't describe this as spamming, especially when parties to both of these stickied discussions are prone to ignore evidence presented to them and then subsequently regurgitate the same arguments as though they had not already been addressed.
The "squibs" argument is a good example. It was debunked early, then bacasper returned talking squibs.
I don't see a proper mod-intervention tactic to prevent him from reintroducing such topics, but I find it interesting that he indulges in such practices and then accuses others of spamming. |
I don't even remember talking about squibs, but anyway, who made Nowhereman judge and jury of what has been debunked?
Sorry, but when a poster attacks another poster or original author instead of addressing the ideas, that IS ad hominem and spamming.
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I happen to support his right to make such statements, but not at the expense of me being allowed to respond in kind.
Someone got ridden out of here for using "Amerikkka". I didn't support it, but I think he should have been free to use this interpretation. |
Agreed on both counts. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I mentioned something about Sheen being just an actor and his opinion being the same that to an infomercial. You din't like it when I mentioned that.
Mathaba (which you used three times) is fair game for more than one reason. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I mentioned something about Sheen being just an actor and his opinion being the same that to an infomercial. You din't like it when I mentioned that. |
His acting and opinions and your opinion of them are unimportant. Important are the facts he is bringing up for consideration.
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| Mathaba (which you used three times) is fair game for more than one reason. |
I probably used it more than three times, and probably will many times in the future. Are you going to bring this up every time I do? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
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[quote="bacasper"]
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I mentioned something about Sheen being just an actor and his opinion being the same that to an infomercial. You din't like it when I mentioned that. |
His acting and opinions and your opinion of them are unimportant. Important are the facts he is bringing up for consideration.
Why ought I care what Charlie Sheen thinks about shopping in China?
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I probably used it more than three times, and probably will many times in the future. Are you going to bring this up every time I do? |
Depends on how often you use it.
People have a right to know. If that it is Mathaba isn't an important source than use a different source. |
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