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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Ukon wrote: |
Basically my experience....I've met some lookers here, but I think usually ESL in South America  |
... You think usually ESL in South America what? |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| sluggle wrote: |
I feel guilty reading this. Reminds me of when I would sneak peaks at my sisters' copies of Cosmo lying around the house.
Though I must say this thread is hilarious because of how inane most of the random male comments come off, and they quickly get crushed beneath the heel of the boot of the women posters. (Or the heel of your trainers, if boot sounds like a stereotype) |
No, they're just being beotchess....which incidentally is another reason why men here dont like them.  |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: Q |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| sluggle wrote: |
I feel guilty reading this. Reminds me of when I would sneak peaks at my sisters' copies of Cosmo lying around the house.
Though I must say this thread is hilarious because of how inane most of the random male comments come off, and they quickly get crushed beneath the heel of the boot of the women posters. (Or the heel of your trainers, if boot sounds like a stereotype) |
No, they're just being beotchess....which incidentally is another reason why men here dont like them. |
And there it is.
Maybe you'd like to be more specific? Who is being a "beotch", where and by saying what? Quote something substantial, make an actual point. Then maybe the women here (in this thread, I mean, of course) will give you the time of day. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| sluggle wrote: |
I feel guilty reading this. Reminds me of when I would sneak peaks at my sisters' copies of Cosmo lying around the house.
Though I must say this thread is hilarious because of how inane most of the random male comments come off, and they quickly get crushed beneath the heel of the boot of the women posters. (Or the heel of your trainers, if boot sounds like a stereotype) |
Hehe, reminds me of Seinfeld and "The Contest" episode. George Costanza with a copy of Glamour Magazine.
"I come home and I find yourself treating your body like it was an amusement park". |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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A lot of western men become enamored by the fact that Korean women USUALLY dress to the nines (makeup and whatnot), are on average more slender than western chicks, and think all white guys look like tom cruise and are great because they are tall. It goes to their heads and they come on here and brag about it in stupid ways that include comparing western women unfavorably.
The reality is that men like women they find hot. Hot western girls in korea get hit on by western guys all the time, just like they did back home.
I think what happens is that both men and women come here temporarily, but the mindset re:dating is different. Women don't want relationships because for the most part they view relationships as "going somewhere"; men are content to have a girlfriend for a year or two and then go back to their lives "back home". The people who do best here are the ones who keep an open mind to all love possibilities. |
I think that a majority of people are open minded but certain trends over time can jade even the most optimistic person. I came here in 2005. In my town the expat community was small but we all knew each other. There were about 20 or some odd western women and out of them only 2 would rate above average and they both had boyfriends (other expats). If there were a butload of really hot gals (and contrary to some posters on this forum who claim the opposite who I'm sure are either women themselves, have seriously low standards, or are simply going blind)the expat community would embrace them without hesitation. Before finding my soul mate, I was in the dating pool and I can tell you the chances of myself or anyone else I knew meeting and hitting it off with what we would consider acceptable western females was about as likely as getting hit by a pink bolt of lightening. They simply weren't there and if they were they usually weren't interested in you because they were already off the market. SO I think that what is being interpreted as "I don't date western girls" is probably more along the lines of "Given the current situational parameters my chances of getting an acceptable western GF are pretty dismal so "I'm not even headed down that road". |
Basically my experience....I've met some lookers here, but I think usually ESL in South America |
oh man.. based on my personal experience, those are the ones most likely to be the lonely bitter types. (though I have met some very cool girls that escaped that trap)
if you think it's difficult for a Western gal to "compete" against K-gals, in my mind it's like playing baseball at the A or AA level in Korea.
In Latin America, it's showtime baby, the big leagues. the women (not all of coruse but enough) are curvy, stacked, smoking hot, of all colors shapes and sizes and unlike in Korea, you are desired (eable) as a foreigner, especially if blonde/blue eyed, if anything as a prize catch to be "tasted" or displayed, even if they're not trying to hook you in longer term, aka marriage.
the language divide is smaller and certainly the cultural divide is minimal (especially compared to Korea)
In short, as a male you have the benefit of almost every advantage working FOR you. If I were a girl in such a situation, I'd probably be bitter myself  |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Don't pay any attention to the guys on this board, ladies, their mothers didn't hug them enough when they were kids, so they get terribly upset when women don't fawn over them.
It's such a cliche- guy goes to Korea to teach ESL, and comes home with Korean wife, chick goes to Korea and spends the year lonely. The thing is, it's not true, at least for women. I'd say I'm average to cute on a good day, but I dress well and I never lacked for male attention- Korean or western. Even if Korean men don't do it for you, the ESLers you meet in person are far better mannered than what you see on this site, and there's plenty of businessmen and military types around too. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| I have to say as a guy going from America to Korea one thing I miss is Trailer Girls. All it would take for a fun night is to get everyone together with a couple half-gals of 5-0 and a grill and some, uh, happy fun time helper. Country Tunes and Rap, grilled food and mayhem. Deep Convos and things that were broken down real simple. Nothing quite like a Trailer Girl is here in Korea. Actually in some sense it was kinda like Korea- being the exotic 'foreigner' who surprises everyone by knowing a few 'local customs'. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Okay, someone please tell me:
How did a thread about dating options for foreign women in Korea turn into yet another thread about how foreign women are generally unattractive bitter b#&*%@*?
If you don't want to date foreign women, more power to you. But don't downgrade foreign women just because you feel some sort of weird insecurity/guilt for not dating them, and you need to have a reason (i.e. make them defective/ugly/bitter blah blah).
Because honestly, no one really cares about your reasons for not dating foreign women, whether it's because foreign women are ugly or there aren't enough hot Latinas in Korea.
Do what you do, and we'll do what we do.
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Okay, someone please tell me:
How did a thread about dating options for foreign women in Korea turn into yet another thread about how foreign women are generally unattractive bitter b#&*%@*?
If you don't want to date foreign women, more power to you. But don't downgrade foreign women just because you feel some sort of weird insecurity/guilt for not dating them, and you need to have a reason (i.e. make them defective/ugly/bitter blah blah).
Because honestly, no one really cares about your reasons for not dating foreign women, whether it's because foreign women are ugly or there aren't enough hot Latinas in Korea.
Do what you do, and we'll do what we do.
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wasn't me
just had to chime in on someone's else's comment. I don't have "issues" with Western women anywhere but at least IMO, they're not under nearly the supposed "disadvantage in Korea that people make it out to be. In fact, in many ways, they're at an advantage - they're not sticks, have curves, no massive cultural/communication barriers, issues, etc.
but in Latin America, the playing field is completely stacked against them. (you've got jet dark/black Latinas, you've got blonde and fair skinned Latinas, you've got them all (depending on where in L. America).
Just an observation, nothing more.
Now ladies, please continue |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:53 am Post subject: |
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but in Latin America, the playing field is completely stacked against them. (you've got jet dark/black Latinas, you've got blonde and fair skinned Latinas, you've got them all (depending on where in L. America). |
I take it you're implying that the only Western women in Korea are...white?
*looks in mirror*
*blinks* |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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I take it you're implying that the only Western women in Korea are...white?
*looks in mirror*
*blinks* |
*pat pat pat*
Just to be fair though, I'm not sure that's what he was implying.
I can tell you what bothers me, though, and that is that women have somehow become commodities in this thread. I distinctly remember talking about sexuality, family structure, dating/cultural expectation, and...yeah...looks IRT men.
But women's value seems to be determined almost exclusively by their appearance. :-/ I think I saw one reference to cultural differences...
Also, let's not use the word "acceptable" about women any more, OK? It's one thing to have personal preferences. It's another thing entirely to say certain women are not "acceptable dating partners" at home.
This discussion is interesting. Carry on!! I have to go to aerobics  |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
Ahhhh, hypothyroidism, the big genetic factor with size. Let me ask you something, what is your average body temperature? Mine is around 97.1 on average, and I started wondering why. I researched it some, and found out it probably was hypo~.
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I read there are medicines and such to get your thyroid working better, but since I have no other problems, I'd rather not deal with any side effects. |
I have actual hypothyroidism diagnosed through blood tests by genuine medical professionals last year. The main symptom was being so tired I couldn't function. I also gained 2 kgs. I thought it was all just stress but I finally went to the doctor about it and it wasn't just stress. The doctor told me that 2 kgs is the average amount of weight gain when your thyroid gives out. I take the medication every day. I lost the 2 kgs. I am still cold all the time.
You should get a blood test if you think you have it. It costs like 5000 won with insurance. If you really do have it the medication (which doesn't really have side effects?) costs 3000 won for 100 pills. It's not good to leave it untreated even if you don't have serious symptoms. My mom didn't have symptoms but the doctor still put her on medication to stop straining her thyroid.
This has been a Dave's ESL PSA. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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but in Latin America, the playing field is completely stacked against them. (you've got jet dark/black Latinas, you've got blonde and fair skinned Latinas, you've got them all (depending on where in L. America). |
I take it you're implying that the only Western women in Korea are...white?
*looks in mirror*
*blinks* |
sorry, of course not.. but since we're generalizing and all... I generalized
that reminds me.. I was in a cool Itaewon spot this summer.. a tropical drink kind of place...a fair amount of attractive Western gals there.. mostly your typical blondes and fake blondes..but among one group of them was this tall, dark and lovely piece of chocolate.. who was sipping her drink while looking around with those big sexy eyes from under her drink... perhaps looking a little lonely.
I couldn't think of a way to bust in there and start a conversation.
but I wish I had.
wasn't you by any chance, was it?
(my point about latins is that there is just as much, actually frankly MORE racial variety among them than among Westerners), because they have more freely mixed and bred thru the centuries)
p.s. Reise dear, men ARE shallow. Always have been, always will be.
Sorry - so yes, we will tend to focus on looks. It's been this way since the caveman days thru the days of the face that launched a thousand ships to the trophy wives of today. What makes you think we'll change just because women don't like this "fact" about us? I actually tend to focus on looks less than most, especially depending on what situation we're talking about, but Men are from Mars, remember? |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: |
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p.s. Reise dear, men ARE shallow. Always have been, always will be.
Sorry - so yes, we will tend to focus on looks. It's been this way since the caveman days thru the days of the face that launched a thousand ships to the trophy wives of today. What makes you think we'll change just because women don't like this "fact" about us? I actually tend to focus on looks less than most, especially depending on what situation we're talking about, but Men are from Mars, remember? |
The point, Epicurus my dear, is that this thread is not about whether or not Western men want to date Western women in Korea. It's about foreign women dating in Korea. But some of these guys are like petulant five year olds who can't help themselves from busting into threads where attention isn't being paid to them and shouting about completely unrelated subjects.
If they're not interested in Western women, then why are they even clicking on a thread about their dating habits? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Yet you just said the average expat here is AVERAGE. So why is it that average foreign men won't date average looking foreign women? Because something about the average looking foreign guy (and it's not their looks because they are average or even below average) makes them from a 6 to an 8 or even higher WHEN THEY ARE IN KOREA.
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I think I finally know the answer to that. If you shift through enough crap, you might actually find something useful. Well, if you ignore most of what some of these guys say and read what's left, you can see why some of them think like that. One of the guys put in a list recently that Korean women know how to "behave" and how to "talk" to men, which includes acting weak and helpless (I think they specified Korean girls know how to act like "damsels-in-distress) and telling the men how big and brave they are. I don't fault guys for like that, I fault the guys who think that is the only way for a woman to behave. If you like how the Korean girls behave, go for it, we all have our preferences, more power to you! But if you have to turn that around and attack all other women, you have issues. It's like if you like blondes, go for it, but why attack brunetes. If you like dark eyes, why attack people with blue eyes? Etc.
Either way, I don't see anything wrong with foreign guys prefering Korean girls. There is a difference between preference and obsession. It's the ones who are obsessed with them, that we worry about.
In My Humble Opinion anyway..... |
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