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missjulia
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: gyopo working in public schools?? |
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madoka

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: |
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My understanding is that hagwons are more concerned with the ethnicity of their teachers than public schools. Hagwons have to cater to the parents, and the parents would rather see white folk. Frankly, I do not blame them. I've met a lot of gyopos with horrible accents and a poor understanding of English who work as NETs.
If I were you, I'd consider flying out to Korea, hook up with any relatives and look for a job while out there. Sounds like you have the qualifications they are looking for. Get your F4 if you don't already have one and consider tutoring on the side. Get your relatives to jump-start your networking. |
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arice05
Joined: 29 Aug 2009 Location: Dongducheon
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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hi missjulia,
i'm also a korean-american. i don't know any korean. i got a job in an after school program. i also have a korean-american friend who got a job with smoe, and is a male! i think it just kind of depends on how hard you try to get a job. it's definitely more difficult if you're not caucasian. i've been turned down by several schools for not being "white".
i posted my resume on work n play and on daves. i also responded to job posts on both web sites. it took me several months to finally get a job...about 5 months, believe it or not. i hope this helps. good luck! it's definitely doable  |
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jvalmer

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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If you're willing to work outside of the Seoul/Gyeonggi area, it's super easy getting a job in a public school. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: gyopo working in public schools?? |
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missjulia wrote: |
Hi all,
I'm a noob here and I've tried looking for a topic like this, but I couldn't find one...
Anyway, I'm Korean-American, grew up in NJ, and just graduated with a Masters in Elementary Education. Been lookin for a job here in NJ, but you know how the job market is.. TOUGH!
So I've been looking for alternatives, and I thought I'd look into teaching in Korea, since I haven't been there since I was just a baby.
Anyone know how probable it is for a person like me to get a PUBLIC school job in Seoul? I've read a couple of things about PUBLIC schools only wanting to hire "white" Americans...
also, what is the situation with SMOE? Should I even apply there with the whole fiasco that went down this time with sending all the teachers back?
Thanks for reading, hope to hear from someone soon! |
Nice whereabouts NJ, you from? I'm guessing the northern part. Anyway I'm also a gyopo from Jersey. Though no teaching experience, fresh outta college. Lots of business experience though.
I was placed by SMOE at a vocational hs. One of my friends said it pretty well. From day 1, I've got 3 strikes against me.
One I'm a foreigner, Two I look Korean but I can't speak it, too westernized, and Three I'm this school's first FT. They were expecting a White, blonde teacher and they think that a Gyopo isn't qualified to teach English, period.
Even still. The kids are a blast even though they hate studying and that just makes all the bs worthwhile. So I guess it boils down to how much your willing to put up with. But, if you've got a masters than you might be able to get an academic school that's had FT's before. Completely changes the atmosphere. |
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mocsen
Joined: 30 Aug 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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It will be easy for you to get a english teaching job here private or public. You're a female with a Masters related to education plus I assume you speak Korean. You will be a more attractive candidate to most schools then your average white American male teaching here. People exaggerate how hard it is to get a job here if you're not white.
A friend of mine who is female of Chinese heritage was recently enquring about teaching here, I sent her resume and photo to my boss and he offered to hire her straight away at a salary starting at 2.4 mill. I also sent her info to a recruiter and the recruiter keep calling me with job offers for her. She never once spoken to my boss or the recruiter yet she was getting job offers. She decided against coming here but speaking to people that make decisions on hiring matters if you're an attractive female of any ethnicity you are a more desirable candidate then most men with similar qualifications. My boss and the recruiter kept asking me if I knew other attractive females that wanted to teach in Korea, didn't matter if they were Asian. |
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iisabrane
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a male Korean-American who just started with GEPIK last month. I'm pretty damn close to Seoul so I'm happy with the area I chose.
I went with Korvia as my recruiter and sent in my application with them around June. My initial goal was to go with SMOE but settled for GEPIK because I wanted to teach high school and there weren't any positions offered to me from high schools in Seoul. I think being a male gyopo is definitely a hindrance to getting a lot of offers BUT I actually got my position at my job because I could speak Korean. The students here have a low English skill level so they wanted someone who would be able to communicate things to the kids. Also, send in a really nice picture of yourself when sending documents. Honestly, the way everyone (recruiters, teachers, etc.) treated me and spoke to me all got better when they realized I wasn't some freak of nature and could put a face to the voice. Like with any job, being attractive always helps in getting hired so get cleaned up before taking any pictures.
It won't be easy but you should be able to find something that fits all your criteria/needs. Don't settle for a crappy job unless you're in dire financial straits. Although i'm still in my honeymoon phase here (so take things with a grain of salt), everything has worked out exactly as I had hoped and am very happy. Good luck! |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: gyopo working in public schools?? |
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winterfall wrote: |
missjulia wrote: |
Hi all,
I'm a noob here and I've tried looking for a topic like this, but I couldn't find one...
Anyway, I'm Korean-American, grew up in NJ, and just graduated with a Masters in Elementary Education. Been lookin for a job here in NJ, but you know how the job market is.. TOUGH!
So I've been looking for alternatives, and I thought I'd look into teaching in Korea, since I haven't been there since I was just a baby.
Anyone know how probable it is for a person like me to get a PUBLIC school job in Seoul? I've read a couple of things about PUBLIC schools only wanting to hire "white" Americans...
also, what is the situation with SMOE? Should I even apply there with the whole fiasco that went down this time with sending all the teachers back?
Thanks for reading, hope to hear from someone soon! |
Nice whereabouts NJ, you from? I'm guessing the northern part. Anyway I'm also a gyopo from Jersey. Though no teaching experience, fresh outta college. Lots of business experience though.
I was placed by SMOE at a vocational hs. One of my friends said it pretty well. From day 1, I've got 3 strikes against me.
One I'm a foreigner, Two I look Korean but I can't speak it, too westernized, and Three I'm this school's first FT. They were expecting a White, blonde teacher and they think that a Gyopo isn't qualified to teach English, period.
Even still. The kids are a blast even though they hate studying and that just makes all the bs worthwhile. So I guess it boils down to how much your willing to put up with. But, if you've got a masters than you might be able to get an academic school that's had FT's before. Completely changes the atmosphere. |
Doesn't matter about a Masters. There's unspoken "quotas" in the recruitment process and it comes down to face more than anything else. My friend had a Masters and she still ended up at a technical high school. |
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missjulia
Joined: 22 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: gyopo working in public schools?? |
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thanks everyone for the helpful advice/responses!!
winterfall wrote: |
Nice whereabouts NJ, you from? I'm guessing the northern part. Anyway I'm also a gyopo from Jersey. Though no teaching experience, fresh outta college. Lots of business experience though.
I was placed by SMOE at a vocational hs. One of my friends said it pretty well. From day 1, I've got 3 strikes against me.
One I'm a foreigner, Two I look Korean but I can't speak it, too westernized, and Three I'm this school's first FT. They were expecting a White, blonde teacher and they think that a Gyopo isn't qualified to teach English, period.
Even still. The kids are a blast even though they hate studying and that just makes all the bs worthwhile. So I guess it boils down to how much your willing to put up with. But, if you've got a masters than you might be able to get an academic school that's had FT's before. Completely changes the atmosphere. |
im actually from central jersey...and hoping to get placed into elementary... i heard those vocational hs were tough!! but im glad u like the kids..essentially thats what it comes down to right?
mocsen wrote: |
It will be easy for you to get a english teaching job here private or public. You're a female with a Masters related to education plus I assume you speak Korean. You will be a more attractive candidate to most schools then your average white American male teaching here. People exaggerate how hard it is to get a job here if you're not white. |
whew! thats reassuring..although i recently spoke to a recruiter and she told me i would be getting level G which is only 2.2
maybe hakwons pay more? i dont really want to go that route tho b/c of the strange hours and what not. |
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missjulia
Joined: 22 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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iisabrane wrote: |
I'm a male Korean-American who just started with GEPIK last month. I'm pretty damn close to Seoul so I'm happy with the area I chose.
I went with Korvia as my recruiter and sent in my application with them around June. My initial goal was to go with SMOE but settled for GEPIK because I wanted to teach high school and there weren't any positions offered to me from high schools in Seoul. I think being a male gyopo is definitely a hindrance to getting a lot of offers BUT I actually got my position at my job because I could speak Korean. The students here have a low English skill level so they wanted someone who would be able to communicate things to the kids. Also, send in a really nice picture of yourself when sending documents. Honestly, the way everyone (recruiters, teachers, etc.) treated me and spoke to me all got better when they realized I wasn't some freak of nature and could put a face to the voice. Like with any job, being attractive always helps in getting hired so get cleaned up before taking any pictures.
It won't be easy but you should be able to find something that fits all your criteria/needs. Don't settle for a crappy job unless you're in dire financial straits. Although i'm still in my honeymoon phase here (so take things with a grain of salt), everything has worked out exactly as I had hoped and am very happy. Good luck! |
thanks for the advice! i don't speak korean too well.....just a tad. hoping to brush up on some before i go..
good luck with the rest of the school year! |
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T-dot

Joined: 16 May 2004 Location: bundang
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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The Holy Trinity of employment in Korea:
Gender
Skin Colour
Level of Attractiveness. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: gyopo working in public schools?? |
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missjulia wrote: |
hoping to get placed into elementary..
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Than you shouldn't have problems with placement. Most people apply for Middle or HS and I think SMOEs got a bunch of elementary positions for next year.
Though there's a chance you can be bumped up to MS or HS on the last day of training. Rare... but, it happens. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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GEPIK definitely had a group of gyopos last year.. Not sure if that changed this year.
Except these gyopos, unlike madoka's example spoke perfect native English, without any trace of an accent. If anything the issue for some of them was not being able to speak Korean (they were "expected" to, not professionally, but socially) |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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T-dot wrote: |
The Holy Trinity of employment in Korea:
Gender
Skin Colour
Level of Attractiveness. |
I'm beginning to wonder about this unholy trinity. I think gender would be a first only if it's coupled with a certain level of attractiveness. I'm male, experienced, and I'm willing to bet I'd get the job over a lot of women. The only way they'd beat me out is if they were really hot. I got hired at my school over lots of men and women. Skin color? Probably for hogs, but not for pubs. Loads of gyopos at my SMOE orientation, and a significant minority were not native English speakers. Accents were quite obvious. Level of attractiveness--for hogs, sure, but only if they are significantly above or below the bell curve. |
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Xuanzang

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Gender is a must for elementary schools. I know a lot of my SMOE female teacher friends said their schools were specifically looking for a woman teacher. Then I reckon would come the incidentals like hair colour, nationality, etc. |
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