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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| rooster_2006 wrote: |
Online certs aren't good for much.
Many agencies won't recognize a TEFL cert unless it is affiliated with a university.
I teach in Taiwan and a TEFL cert is a requirement because I have an AA, not a BA. I have CELTA. That was sufficient to pass through the immigration/Work Permit/ARC requirements. |
An AA is pretty much useless if you want a nice paying job. BAs are much better. You know you actually studied your discipline. How can you do that with an AA. A CELTA is good, but a CELTA with a BA or MA is much better than a useless AA. An online TEFL course will get you in the door with some practical knowledge and theory. Stopping your studies at an AA really is a mistake. With just an AA, you cut yourself off from a lot of jobs world wide. |
It just so happens that I'm working on my BS as I teach! I haven't "stopped my studies at an AA." I'm only 22 and have found a very good way to finance my studies -- teaching English for the same wages that BA holders get.  Very clever, and in Taiwan, 100% legal. 
How do you feel about someone with a "useless AA" getting the same pay you do? Not very good, I bet! 
I get NT$600 an hour in Taiwan, which is exactly what BA holders make. I use my paycheck to rent an oceanfront apartment with a view of the harbor right from my window. A beach with palm trees is three minutes away if you walk briskly, and you can swim.
I have a legal ARC and work permit, just like BA holders, and get the same wages.
Better than putting myself through school by working at 7-Eleven in the States, don't you think? Or do you think I should slave away at McDonald's in America, THEN come to Asia and teach?
So you see, the career choice that you're mocking (starting to teach with an AA) is actually quite a clever one! I'm earning my tuition for my Bachelor's of Science program at $18.52 an hour and living on a tropical island! Not bad for someone with a "useless AA" in the middle of the global recession, eh? MWA HA HA HA HA!
And THAT is the magic of having a CELTA, and having your head on straight. 
Care to give me any more career advice? |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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I heard you also learn something from doing the courses, too.
Or maybe you're one of those teachers who thinks they don't need to improve.  |
and furthering knowledge is never a bad thing
Was this a complete oversight on your part? I believe it was, and therefore will not proceed on this tangent any further.
For those of you who provided constructive comments, I appreciate you taking the time to clear up some issues for me. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| I was thinking of a CELTA, but it would be rather difficult since I'm only one month into my GEPIK job. I also heard it costs an arm and 2 legs, which I do not have. I am, however, thinking about hopping to a new place to teach English after 2 years in SK. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
| I was thinking of a CELTA, but it would be rather difficult since I'm only one month into my GEPIK job. I also heard it costs an arm and 2 legs, which I do not have. I am, however, thinking about hopping to a new place to teach English after 2 years in SK. |
Depends on where you plan to hop.
Problem is, a lot of places that hold the CELTA in high regard don't pay too well. But it's a worthwhile endeavor if you plan to teach in those places. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
| I was thinking of a CELTA, but it would be rather difficult since I'm only one month into my GEPIK job. I also heard it costs an arm and 2 legs, which I do not have. I am, however, thinking about hopping to a new place to teach English after 2 years in SK. |
Depends on where you plan to hop.
Problem is, a lot of places that hold the CELTA in high regard don't pay too well. But it's a worthwhile endeavor if you plan to teach in those places. |
Firstly, Korea, Japan, China... your CELTA means nada. Will help you do consulate work, but you have to have 2 years post CELTA experience. Good gigs though.... Otherwise the difference to them between you with a BA and CELTA and someone with e 'handsome' face and a BA is nada.
CELTA is great for Western Europe. In fact you can teach in countries like Spain, Italy, France WITHOUT a BA but with a CELTA instead. In fact they wont accept you with only a BA, you have to have at least a CELTA or DELTA eqvt.... You'll live okay on your salary in thos eplaces, but you wont save bugger all, that's the thing.... For the better paying jobs in those areas and the Middle East you really need a B ed or a Masters in TEFL....
In fact anyone wanting to make decent cash and a career in ths field would be stupid not to get a Masters in TEFL or Applied Linguistics... Uni jobs / high end corporate jobs, international schools - in any country, all well paid.... Kinda wish I had one myself..... |
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babzie
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: S. Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP"]I did it - the 100 hr 20 unit onbline cert with ITTT.
Yes it is 100,000 and YES you DO get an extra 100,000 with Gepik / Epik.
It's a lot of work. I'd pay someone else to do it for you if I were you. But then, I'm me.[/quote]
Yes it's a crap load of work
Would anyone care to help me at all
Units 13 up? |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| rooster_2006 wrote: |
Online certs aren't good for much.
Many agencies won't recognize a TEFL cert unless it is affiliated with a university.
I teach in Taiwan and a TEFL cert is a requirement because I have an AA, not a BA. I have CELTA. That was sufficient to pass through the immigration/Work Permit/ARC requirements. |
An AA is pretty much useless if you want a nice paying job. BAs are much better. You know you actually studied your discipline. How can you do that with an AA. A CELTA is good, but a CELTA with a BA or MA is much better than a useless AA. An online TEFL course will get you in the door with some practical knowledge and theory. Stopping your studies at an AA really is a mistake. With just an AA, you cut yourself off from a lot of jobs world wide. |
It just so happens that I'm working on my BS as I teach! I haven't "stopped my studies at an AA." I'm only 22 and have found a very good way to finance my studies -- teaching English for the same wages that BA holders get. Very clever, and in Taiwan, 100% legal.
How do you feel about someone with a "useless AA" getting the same pay you do? Not very good, I bet!
I get NT$600 an hour in Taiwan, which is exactly what BA holders make. I use my paycheck to rent an oceanfront apartment with a view of the harbor right from my window. A beach with palm trees is three minutes away if you walk briskly, and you can swim.
I have a legal ARC and work permit, just like BA holders, and get the same wages.
Better than putting myself through school by working at 7-Eleven in the States, don't you think? Or do you think I should slave away at McDonald's in America, THEN come to Asia and teach?
So you see, the career choice that you're mocking (starting to teach with an AA) is actually quite a clever one! I'm earning my tuition for my Bachelor's of Science program at $18.52 an hour and living on a tropical island! Not bad for someone with a "useless AA" in the middle of the global recession, eh? MWA HA HA HA HA!
And THAT is the magic of having a CELTA, and having your head on straight.
Care to give me any more career advice? |
Yeah, stop giving other people career advice. A CELTA will not get you higher pay in Asia if you already have a BA.. .any TEFL certificate will do. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| rooster_2006 wrote: |
Online certs aren't good for much.
Many agencies won't recognize a TEFL cert unless it is affiliated with a university.
I teach in Taiwan and a TEFL cert is a requirement because I have an AA, not a BA. I have CELTA. That was sufficient to pass through the immigration/Work Permit/ARC requirements. |
An AA is pretty much useless if you want a nice paying job. BAs are much better. You know you actually studied your discipline. How can you do that with an AA. A CELTA is good, but a CELTA with a BA or MA is much better than a useless AA. An online TEFL course will get you in the door with some practical knowledge and theory. Stopping your studies at an AA really is a mistake. With just an AA, you cut yourself off from a lot of jobs world wide. |
It just so happens that I'm working on my BS as I teach! I haven't "stopped my studies at an AA." I'm only 22 and have found a very good way to finance my studies -- teaching English for the same wages that BA holders get. Very clever, and in Taiwan, 100% legal.
How do you feel about someone with a "useless AA" getting the same pay you do? Not very good, I bet!
I get NT$600 an hour in Taiwan, which is exactly what BA holders make. I use my paycheck to rent an oceanfront apartment with a view of the harbor right from my window. A beach with palm trees is three minutes away if you walk briskly, and you can swim.
I have a legal ARC and work permit, just like BA holders, and get the same wages.
Better than putting myself through school by working at 7-Eleven in the States, don't you think? Or do you think I should slave away at McDonald's in America, THEN come to Asia and teach?
So you see, the career choice that you're mocking (starting to teach with an AA) is actually quite a clever one! I'm earning my tuition for my Bachelor's of Science program at $18.52 an hour and living on a tropical island! Not bad for someone with a "useless AA" in the middle of the global recession, eh? MWA HA HA HA HA!
And THAT is the magic of having a CELTA, and having your head on straight.
Care to give me any more career advice? |
Yes. An AA and a CELTA will not qualify you for a job in Korea.
Game. Set. Match. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| rooster_2006 wrote: |
Online certs aren't good for much.
Many agencies won't recognize a TEFL cert unless it is affiliated with a university.
I teach in Taiwan and a TEFL cert is a requirement because I have an AA, not a BA. I have CELTA. That was sufficient to pass through the immigration/Work Permit/ARC requirements. |
An AA is pretty much useless if you want a nice paying job. BAs are much better. You know you actually studied your discipline. How can you do that with an AA. A CELTA is good, but a CELTA with a BA or MA is much better than a useless AA. An online TEFL course will get you in the door with some practical knowledge and theory. Stopping your studies at an AA really is a mistake. With just an AA, you cut yourself off from a lot of jobs world wide. |
It just so happens that I'm working on my BS as I teach! I haven't "stopped my studies at an AA." I'm only 22 and have found a very good way to finance my studies -- teaching English for the same wages that BA holders get. Very clever, and in Taiwan, 100% legal.
How do you feel about someone with a "useless AA" getting the same pay you do? Not very good, I bet!
I get NT$600 an hour in Taiwan, which is exactly what BA holders make. I use my paycheck to rent an oceanfront apartment with a view of the harbor right from my window. A beach with palm trees is three minutes away if you walk briskly, and you can swim.
I have a legal ARC and work permit, just like BA holders, and get the same wages.
Better than putting myself through school by working at 7-Eleven in the States, don't you think? Or do you think I should slave away at McDonald's in America, THEN come to Asia and teach?
So you see, the career choice that you're mocking (starting to teach with an AA) is actually quite a clever one! I'm earning my tuition for my Bachelor's of Science program at $18.52 an hour and living on a tropical island! Not bad for someone with a "useless AA" in the middle of the global recession, eh? MWA HA HA HA HA!
And THAT is the magic of having a CELTA, and having your head on straight.
Care to give me any more career advice? |
So where are you studying for your BA? Online? Why knock an online course when you are doing the exact same thing? |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| So is GEPIK still accepting online TEFL for a pay raise or not? Also, can someone link me with the cheapest/best 100 hour course? |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Online TESOLs are a comedy.
Your online certificates, though they may get you the same pay raise in Korea, are not even near par with on-site certificate programs. Believing they are on par is pure delusion. Believing you can't learn more in a real classroom or on-site training program borders on being anti-intellectual.
On-site TESOL holders know this, but online TESOL holders simply deny it due to their cognitive dissonance. This is why they get so uptight and defensive, as many on this message thread evince. It's pure gold comedy.
I did an on-site TESOL after finishing an online TESOL because I, well, felt they were lacking. I'm telling you, there's nothing comparable or equivalent about the two.
Who do you think learns more about practical/concrete teaching? Someone who did it online, or someone who did it in a classroom with actual ELLs (English Language Learners)? I mean, really. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Online TESOLs are a comedy.
Your online certificates, though they may get you the same pay raise in Korea, are not even near par with on-site certificate programs. Believing they are on par is pure delusion. Believing you can't learn more in a real classroom or on-site training program borders on being anti-intellectual.
On-site TESOL holders know this, but online TESOL holders simply deny it due to their cognitive dissonance. This is why they get so uptight and defensive, as many on this message thread evince. It's pure gold comedy.
I did an on-site TESOL after finishing an online TESOL because I, well, felt they were lacking. I'm telling you, there's nothing comparable or equivalent about the two.
Who do you think learns more about practical/concrete teaching? Someone who did it online, or someone who did it in a classroom with actual ELLs (English Language Learners)? I mean, really. |
I think nothing of the sort and I have no cognitive dissonance. In fact I can;t see any one post in this thread that expresses the opinion you claim holders of online certs have...
I did mine because the initial 100,000 outlay would net me an extra 100,000 a month. Simple. Fin. goodbye. |
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Morgen
Joined: 02 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I love being told what I think! I better write that down so I'll remember. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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To clarify, I don't have anything against most online education. Heck, I did quite a few courses online myself (though I still did two years of college courses on-site in a brick-and-mortar school, as well). I took online courses in things like history, English composition, etc. that are taught well over the computer. My brick-and-mortar courses were mostly in Korean (my Focus Area was in Korean).
I do, however, have something against online TEFL certificates.
Why?
Because unlike history, or philosophy, or mathematics, you can't learn teaching in an online course. Period.
Your school will probably pay 30,000,000 won just to pay your salary and put you in your apartment this year. That doesn't even count things like visa processing costs, recruitment costs, co-payments that the employer makes on various things, etc.
And you can't even spend 1,000,000 (less-well-known on-site course) or 2,000,000 (my CELTA was 2,150,000) on a decent on-site course to learn how to do your job correctly.
Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. |
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Dude Ranch
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: |
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What would be the best way of stating on your resume that you have this cert?
Right now I just have at the bottom of my resume....
OTHER QUALIFICATIONS:
100-Hour Online TESOL Certification Course � International TESOL Teacher Training (ITTT)
(currently completing; should be fully trained by 11/09) |
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