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Retarded Grammar Fight Number 349
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Hamlet



Joined: 18 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Retarded Grammar Fight Number 349 Reply with quote

I wrote this sentence.

"It�s too late to drop classes this semester, though, so I'd better get back to studying."

My Korean coworker told me to change the sentence to...

"It�s too late to drop classes this semester, though, so I better get back to study."

I explained to her that her feedback was wrong, and wrote her this...

�I better get back to study.� This means, �I have to return to a place so I can study there.� As in...
A: Do you want to stay out a bit longer with us?
B: No, I have to get back [home] to study.

�I have to get back to studying.� This means, �I have to return to the act of studying.� As in...
�I was studying before I stopped in order to talk to you, but now I have to stop talking to you and get back to studying.�

She came back with this to explain why she was in fact correct, not me...

the number of results of the chunk �get back to study� on google is 37,900,000 and for �get back to studying� is only 259,000.

I explained to her that Google searches were not a good way to check grammar or usage because they do not have the context necessary to decide if the usage is correct.

I checked the google searches, though, and, unbelievably, many people say, "I have to get back to study," meaning I have to return to the act of studying.

Am I wrong? Do any of you use "study" instead of "studying" in the context above? To me there is no question that "studying" is correct....but WTF are all these people online doing using "study."

Also, answer this...

You cannot say, "I have to get back to eat." (meaning return to the act of eating)
You have to say, "I have to get back to eating."

But...

We can say, "I have to get back to work." (meaning I have to get back to the act of working)

We would not usually say, "I have to get back to working." (unless it was followed by a phrase like "on my project)

How is "work" grammatically different than "eat" or "study" in the above context?[/b]

Here is one example from a website...
Welcome to the Life Skills home page.

"Do you want to get back to study, or get a job � but wonder if you have the skills? Has it been years since you were at school? Have you been out of the paid workforce for a while?"

WTF...that sounds so horrible....here is the link.

http://www.westone.wa.gov.au/lifeskills/index.asp


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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Retarted Grammar Fight Number 349 Reply with quote

Hamlet wrote:


She came back with this to explain why she was in fact correct, not me...

the number of results of the chunk �get back to study� on google is 37,900,000 and for �get back to studying� is only 259,000.

I explained to her that Google searches were not a good way to check grammar or usage because they do not have the context necessary to decide if the usage is correct.



You were wrong to tell her that that kind of google search was "not a good way" to check grammar. You should have told her it was a totally ridiculous and useless way to check.

I just googled "I am fat" which produced 110 million results. I then googled "I fat" which produced 181 million results. So I guess the second one is correct then? Confused Laughing

Your explanation of both was perfectly adequate IMO. But if you're faced with someone who actually thinks number of google hits are a better way to find out what's right than asking an educated native speaker, then I'm not sure there's any point trying to argue with them.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them that they must now conduct all classes in accordance with what the most popular search result on google says.

In fact, because they have access to such a fantastic resource, they hardly need you anymore, do they?
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retarted.

You mean like when a chick fancies up, changes her mind, then puts on some different?



I'm lame, I know it.
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namu_nim



Joined: 22 Sep 2009
Location: korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not intented to be sarcastic, since I agree with the use of 'get back to studying', and I'm fairly inadequate at grammar use myself. But shouldn't it be

I had better get back to...../I'd better get back to......
or is that a difference between US/Uk English





Please correct my grammar.
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roknroll



Joined: 29 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would I be correct in assuming the K is thinking along these lines:
I like to study.
I like studying.

Therefore, since it's ...get back to it must be followed by study only. Obviously oblivious to the fact that it's a phrase (get back to).

I'd say it's 'get back to' doing something. Not being much of a grammatarian, I would assume using 'ing' is the norm with exceptions such as 'work' or 'sleep'. I would also assume the exceptions are exceptions because they could be worded differently whereas the typical 'ing' case cannot. For example, 'i'd better get back to sleep' could be 'get back to bed' which is the 'place' mentioned in the OP. Same for 'work'. Let's say I'm talking to someone outside of the class and want to return to my class. So: 'I'd better get back to teaching' would be correct, get back to doing something. I could also say: 'I'd better get back to class to teach (get back to class in order to teach--or in order to continue teaching). Perhaps if you physically 'get back to' a place you have a choice. Let's say I'm reading in the class and another teacher comes in to chat. Then I break it off by saying "I'd better get back to reading". Here I have no choice to reword it and use 'read'.
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Forward Observer



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your definately all loosers. Razz
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for descriptive grammar in some situations. But you were right to say that Google is not a grammar checker. I know what Google would say about using it's as a possessive...

>You cannot say, "I have to get back to eat." (meaning return to the act of eating)
You have to say, "I have to get back to eating."

I don't see the problem. As with your other example, the former suggests a place (I have to get back home to eat) and the second the act of eating.

>We can say, "I have to get back to work." (meaning I have to get back to the act of working)

We would not usually say, "I have to get back to working." (unless it was followed by a phrase like "on my project)

To me, the second would make grammatical sense and isn't wrong -- it just is unnatural to a native speaker. Why? I guess because the first sentence uses work as a noun and isn't the same as working as a gerund verb. Second, the phrase back to work seems like one of those phrases that's just been grandfathered in English grammar, like I'm going home or I'm going to school; it's shorter and has a more pleasing sound.:>
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MattAwesome



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

google is not a grammar checking resource. i cant believe that was her defense...

"- get back to study." means you are going back somewhere to start studying i.e "It's getting late. I need to get back to study."
in your context, you mean returning to the act of studying, so you would be right. you stopped studying, something happened. and you need to study again.

"ive been touching myself all day. i should get back to studying." you arent physically going anywhere.

Tell her MattAwesome said you are right and her to shut her face.
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Bread



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mostly just shocked that a Korean used Google instead of Naver. Who told them about Google? This story is just too suspicious.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Retarted.

You mean like when a chick fancies up, changes her mind, then puts on some different?

I'm lame, I know it.


Yes, I also noticed the mispelling in the headline. What a way to gripe about a grammar question by mispelling a pretty common word.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not a grammar expert but your model sentence:

"It�s too late to drop classes this semester, though, so I better get back to studying."

If one of my students wrote that, I would tell them to remove , though. In formal writing I just don't see why you need that. I am guessing that it was part of a conversation where this is the B part, is that correct?

You were totally correct in what you told her. She was most likely confused as another poster said by the use of to
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Bread



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
I am not a grammar expert but your model sentence:

"It�s too late to drop classes this semester, though, so I better get back to studying."

If one of my students wrote that, I would tell them to remove , though. In formal writing I just don't see why you need that. I am guessing that it was part of a conversation where this is the B part, is that correct?


But somehow you miss the much more blatant and terrible "I better"
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use *I look forward to seeing you* as an example to explain to her why *get back to studying* is correct.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

get back to studying = a phrasal verb with two particles such as 'look forward to' and they are always followed by the gerund or ...ing form

e.g. I'm looking forward to going home

so it means I better return to the action of studying

get back to study = phrasal verb 'get back' meaning return followed by an infinitive of purpose explaining the reason for your return.

'I better get back to study' means I'd better return somewhere e.g. your house for the purpose of/in order to study(ing.)

So they are both correct but have slightly different meanings
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