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Is it tough to make expat friends in Seoul?
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit, as a long(ish) termer in Seoul I already had a solid friend base and social life so was never super enthusiastic towards newbies, mostly because I had other things on my mind (love life, work life, familly, money etc) and wanted to just walk to work or go get lunch or whatever I was doing at the time.. . So people can;t really be called snobs or 'full of self importance' imo for not wanting to be your best friend etc, people do have lives... Aslo, perhaps some of the people we meet just don;t seem our type of people, there's no 'click' there, so why would we make an effort. also, newbs can be tiring as you end up being their kind of teacher and it gets tiresome at times...

Hey Op - don't let that make you think I'm contradicting myself about what I said before about it being easy to meet friends here, even by approaching random strangers - because that all still stands.

I'm just saying if you try to strike up a conversation with a stranger and they're not super enthusiastic, they just might want some time alone for whatever reason, they may have things on their minds... doesn't mean they're anti social...
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shostahoosier



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmm....good advice....sounds just like Fraternity rush all over again...I'll guess I'll just put myself out there...whats the worst that can happen right?
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Old Gil



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't even make eye contact and say hi? That's just flat out strange. I mean if you're in Hongdae or Itaewon then that's one thing, you'd be saying hi all the damn time, but if you're off the waegugin path it's just polite. No one is saying you have to be BFF. I think seeing another whitey infringes on the rock-star psyche too much.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Gil wrote:
You can't even make eye contact and say hi? That's just flat out strange. I mean if you're in Hongdae or Itaewon then that's one thing, you'd be saying hi all the damn time, but if you're off the waegugin path it's just polite. No one is saying you have to be BFF. I think seeing another whitey infringes on the rock-star psyche too much.


Or the opposite. Maybe the pperson hates thhe pseudo celeb status and just wants ot be anonymous (I know I do.) So he / she doesn't want to have to acknowledge everyone they meet just because they have the same skin colour...

That said, I always say hi back at the very least. I'm just saying though, nothing is ever as simple or one dimensional as we might imagine. You know, someone might have something on their mind, be in a bad mood, you know... only human....

An example.

One of my best friends here now said when he first saw me he thought I was rude as I didn't acknowledge him. I asked him when this was and he told me. Well at that time I was moving my furniture into my apt and didn't even see him. Luckilly for me he tried again another time, another place and we're now great friends.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Gil wrote:
You can't even make eye contact and say hi? .


No. Leave me alone. Laughing


On a more serious note why?

Would you do that back home to random people walking down the street?
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freeridden



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to facebook and type in 'Hiking in Seoul'.
Go to facebook and type in 'Volunteer in Seou'

You can find tons of groups in Seoul. At least you can meet people much easier this way.

I've found some foreigners to be friendly, but sometimes people just like to stick to their own little circles. That's ok.

When you are in a smaller place with barely any foreigners, then it is only polite to say hello. When people live in a very small town back home, they usually greet people with at least a 'hello'.
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mheartley



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: China vs. Korea Reply with quote

Korean LaoWei wrote:
I lived in china for a couple of years and have been here in Korea for a little over a year. I have found the Korean expat community much more standoffish. I am not really sure why this is. In China if you met a foriegner you would at least stand around and talk for a while usually exchange cell numbers. Korean expats just ignore you. It's harder to meet folks and make friends here and even after you do you just don't see them as much.


I agree, and it is a bit strange how it's different like that. The saying 'hello' on the street and meeting expats didn't seem like an issue in China because it just felt like it happened naturally, you didn't actively think about it or pursue it. Much more effortless. I wasn't saying hi to every westerner I walked past but neither I or they were making an obvious effort to look down or off in another direction, either.
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dalem



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP

It is far too common here in Korea to find people who are just into drinking. I am a more tame type of person, and therefor am just not interested. On the other hand, if you're into that kind of thing, Itaewon could be the place for you. The Wolfhound is an Irish pub that's pretty good.

I would definately reccomend trying meetup.com if you're looking to meet interesting, fun people. Not only is it (for most groups) not centered around drinking, it's good because you can go by interest and find peeps with the same type of interests as you. Not only do you get to meet people, but you get to do fun things you are interested in around Seoul. Being from the boonies, it does make things harder, but many meetups are on weekends, and often are near the edge of the city... mostly the north (it seems to me... or maybe those are just the groups i've joined?).

Meetup.com. It's an awesome way to meet other expants, and even some english speaking koreans, when here.
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sweet_caroline



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually going to ask the same question, but then I saw that it had already been posed here. I keep hearing again and again "trust me, if you don't live in Seoul you will regret it." I love the idea of living in Seoul, but not so crazy about the size. I want to be somewhere where I can develop a good group of foreign friends pretty easily. I'm a 23-year old female, coming alone, and making new friends is not hard for me. Of course I'd like to be somewhere with trees and parks, and not live in a concrete jungle..but not at the expense of being bored out of my mind. I've been looking into other large-but not so large cities like Daegu..any advice?
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xingyiman



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: China vs. Korea Reply with quote

mheartley wrote:
Korean LaoWei wrote:
I lived in china for a couple of years and have been here in Korea for a little over a year. I have found the Korean expat community much more standoffish. I am not really sure why this is. In China if you met a foriegner you would at least stand around and talk for a while usually exchange cell numbers. Korean expats just ignore you. It's harder to meet folks and make friends here and even after you do you just don't see them as much.


I agree, and it is a bit strange how it's different like that. The saying 'hello' on the street and meeting expats didn't seem like an issue in China because it just felt like it happened naturally, you didn't actively think about it or pursue it. Much more effortless. I wasn't saying hi to every westerner I walked past but neither I or they were making an obvious effort to look down or off in another direction, either.


American and other westerners in Korea generally have chips on their shoulders. I think it amounts to the fact that they know that you know you're here because
A. You can't find a job back home
B. Can't get an acceptable girl back home
C. Insert whatever other excuse you like.
The afforementioned are lagely out of anyones' contol but in their minds it paints them as losers so they cop and attitude and walk about as legends in their own minds.
People in Thailand were way different. They were like "Heck yeah I'm a tosser, but I'm just here for the girls!"
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Harpeau



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Seoul. My experience is that I am on my way to something and may be constricted by time. If people say hello to me, I usually try to respond in a positive manner. Expecting someone to stop and chat may not be very realistic. One always has to ask "where is the energy?" Is there interest, need, desire, etc.

I usually have my MP3 player on and don't always hear people. I've met many wonderful people and enjoy meeting new people. Yet, I know that sometimes I can be feeling exhausted, stressed out, preoccuppied and even suspicious of what the other person wants from me.

We all have fears and anxieties about strangers. That's not unusual. Trust takes time and nurturing. It's been my experience that sometimes the first impressions are not the best to go by. If someone is worth getting to know, it may mean seeing many dimensions and being willing to go deeper.

Finally, I like meeting tourists and pointing the way. Kindness can go a long way.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a revolving door here, and that does not tend to make for deep friendships. I've put in plenty effort before with people who left 1 or 2 months later never to be seen again.

The defensiveness and coldness is a feature. Perhaps because foreigners tend to try and monopolise other foreigners lives here too much. I'm talking about trying to steal girlfriends or korean friends of the other person, ie taking over the others territory be it roles at work or places to hang out. Too many foreigners here also lack imagination or interests to carve out their own meaningful niches...- so they just drink.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an expatriate, or an alien, call yourself whatever you want, you'll make friends, but most of those friendships will be fair weather ones. It's part of living overseas. If you've got the least bit of originality and individuality, you'll find the choices are pretty limited. Limited because the majority of foreigners over here aren't really travelers or explorers (internally or externally). They're pretty ordinary people spending a bit of time overseas to travel a bit or save money. It's college frat parties all over again. If you're pretty ordinary, you'll meet up with plenty.
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