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SW
Joined: 08 Sep 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: SMOE housing: A Warning |
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I know this subject has been addressed before, but I don't mind bringing it up again, as I believe SMOE has begun (or will soon begin) its hiring processes for March 2010.
I just began working for SMOE. In regards to the work itself, I could barely be happier. Only real problem is the school's location, but what can be done about that? Somebody's got to teach there.
The area in which I was extremely disappointed - and also the area in which I think a better job could have been done - was housing. The house I've been provided with is old, dark, lonely, run-down, left filthy by my predecessor, in a lousy neighborhood (I don't think I even need to name which one), and inconveniently located on top of a mountain (not a hill, an honest-to-God mountain).
Another complaint I have, which is probably the opposite of what one would usually hear, is that the place is too big. It could be comfortably occupied by two people, and Koreans used to living tight could probably fit three in there. I do not have that much stuff and can only be in one room at a time anyway. You might say it's better for entertaining, but I don't think anyone would actually want to come here, given the steep climb, and the difficulty they'd have in finding the place.
This is my second year in Korea. I finished my first contract in the spring and came back mid-July. Between then and now I was staying with someone else. So, the whole point of my posting here is this: if you have the ability, take the 500,000/month housing allowance and find your own place. If I had known how crappy the provided housing was, I would definitely have done this. I do realize that most people coming to Korea for the first time won't be able to provide key money, but still, I think most people who would want to teach abroad in the first place would rather live tight as long as it was a good location and other people were around. I can honestly say I would have taken a goshiwon or a hasook (sp?) over what they've given me. I thought the school might have been trying to save money, but I happened to see the rent on the place, and I definitely could have found a better one for 500,000, even with my limited knowledge of living options in Seoul. I have some other theories of why the administration picked the house they did, but there's no point thinking about that now.
I apparently am not the only one who has experienced this problem. I've talked to several other SMOE teachers who hate their apartments, and it looks as if recruiters sometimes try to play it down.
So, to sum up: if you have the money and wherewithal, give yourself peace of mind and take advantage of your options with housing. Otherwise, I might as well say that aside from that, you could do a hell of a lot worse than SMOE as an employer in Korea. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Location: korreia
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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my place is a 25-30 minute commute from the school, but i can't complain. i'm on the 15th floor of an officetel. nice view, clean...thin walls though. it's a bit small but it's ok for me. my only problem was a lack of furniture. they really went by the book - small kitchen table, two chairs, bed, etc....and put the TV on the floor since providing a tv stand wasnt included in the contract.
overall i'm happy, but of course this is school provided housing. on a whim it could change. if i leave the school, i lose the apartment. so yeah i'd say it's better to get your own housing. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: SMOE housing: A Warning |
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in a lousy neighborhood (I don't think I even need to name which one), and inconveniently located on top of a mountain (not a hill, an honest-to-God mountain).
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Which neighborhood has a mountain? Is there a bus that goes up the "mountain"? |
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Murakano
Joined: 10 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess it's pot luck. I got an extremely nice place in Gangnam provided by my school.....no shoebox either. Have you said anything to the school? If it's as bad as you say, invite them over and ask them if any of THEM would consider living there. If it was me I'd certainly be on my school's case. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Housing like getting a decent job / co teachers or not is a lotto... |
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SW
Joined: 08 Sep 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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my place is a 25-30 minute commute from the school, but i can't complain. i'm on the 15th floor of an officetel. nice view, clean...thin walls though. it's a bit small but it's ok for me. my only problem was a lack of furniture. they really went by the book - small kitchen table, two chairs, bed, etc....and put the TV on the floor since providing a tv stand wasnt included in the contract.
overall i'm happy, but of course this is school provided housing. on a whim it could change. if i leave the school, i lose the apartment. so yeah i'd say it's better to get your own housing. |
Thanks for the second. What you've got is exactly what I had at my last place out in Gyeonggi, but it didn't prove to be a problem because one of my colleagues in the same building had the large apt. used for entertaining. Interesting they actually gave you a TV though... my place has a "living room" of sorts, but no TV. That's not something I'd make a stink about though, since I never watch TV.
My commute is about the same, which is something that puzzles me. There is a nicer neighborhood much closer to the school, on mostly flat ground, and cheaper to boot. I don't know why they didn't put me there.
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| Which neighborhood has a mountain? Is there a bus that goes up the "mountain"? |
I was speaking in hyperbole, but to call it a "hill" would be really misleading. Of course, many neighborhoods in Seoul have tiny residential side streets that go up steep grades. I wouldn't mind it as much if there weren't so many other negatives.
Unfortunately there is no bus.
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| I guess it's pot luck. I got an extremely nice place in Gangnam provided by my school.....no shoebox either. Have you said anything to the school? If it's as bad as you say, invite them over and ask them if any of THEM would consider living there. If it was me I'd certainly be on my school's case. |
Sounds great. I was just in Gangnam yesterday and was thinking how nice it would be to live there. Actually, I might move there next year for reasons unrelated to employment.
One of my co-teachers did see the place, and while she didn't say as much, I got the impression she felt for me. My other co-teachers started some gossip about seeing me walking from the train station (giving away that I was not living in the provided housing). After I told them why, they made a stink with the "office lady" who I think is responsible for all this, but to no avail. I know for sure that I will not re-sign with them if they don't at least give me the option of taking the allowance. I don't see why they wouldn't, but I've also heard them complaining that they can't keep any teachers longer than one year. I would tell them that changing the housing might not fix that problem, but it couldn't hurt. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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The area in which I was extremely disappointed - and also the area in which I think a better job could have been done - was housing. The house I've been provided with is old, dark, lonely, run-down, left filthy by my predecessor, in a lousy neighborhood (I don't think I even need to name which one), and inconveniently located on top of a mountain (not a hill, an honest-to-God mountain).
Another complaint I have, which is probably the opposite of what one would usually hear, is that the place is too big. It could be comfortably occupied by two people, and Koreans used to living tight could probably fit three in there. I do not have that much stuff and can only be in one room at a time anyway. You might say it's better for entertaining, but I don't think anyone would actually want to come here, given the steep climb, and the difficulty they'd have in finding the place. |
If it's a long road down, get a motorcycle or scooter....or even just a bicycle....
Quite frankly, your place sounds awesome once you clean it up...
I want a mountain hide out! |
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SW
Joined: 08 Sep 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| If it's a long road down, get a motorcycle or scooter....or even just a bicycle.... |
This is something I found peculiar about Seoul vs. Gyeonggi... more than one Seoulite Korean has told me, "Must have been hard without a car" when I told them where I used to live. Yet I find the exact opposite is true, which I didn't expect. Had I lived in a different area of Seoul, it might not be the case, but my old satellite city was ten times as convenient.
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Quite frankly, your place sounds awesome once you clean it up...
I want a mountain hide out! |
You're right... had someone offered me a mountain hideout back in the States I think I would have jumped on it. Thanks for helping me see the sunny side
btw, I just had a cleaning service come through and they did a bang-up job. But even the cleaners, who I gather are not exactly upper middle class in Korea, told me I had been screwed on housing! |
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Morning_Star
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: ... |
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Pictures? I'd like to see just how "bad" it is.
I guess it's the luck of the draw. Some people get great housing, great location, good school, nice co-teachers...others get the opposite. |
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