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| International School |
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10% |
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| Foreign Language High School |
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13% |
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| Public School (EPIK, SMOE, GEPIK) |
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13% |
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| Private Public School |
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5% |
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| Corporate English job |
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5% |
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| Hagwon teaching adults |
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2% |
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| Hagwon teaching children |
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10% |
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| University with an E1 visa |
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35% |
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| University Language Center |
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2% |
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yeremy
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: Anywhere's there's a good bookstore.
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 Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: What is the best type of teaching job in Korea? |
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What is the best type of teaching job in Korea? If I have forgotten any categories where EFL teachers work here in Korea, please add it in your reply if you would.
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mongolian spot
Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| I did not vote. Its like comparing dog shit to cat shit. |
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highdials5
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| mongolian spot wrote: |
| I did not vote. Its like comparing dog shit to cat shit. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| It depends too much on your priorities. I like teaching adults. A corporate job would be good because of the interesting conversations and the pay. But the vacation is terrible. University jobs are good because of the beautiful students (I keep my hands to myself, but I can't help but notice), the vacation, the ample prep time, but the pay is lower than corporate work. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
| It depends too much on your priorities. I like teaching adults. A corporate job would be good because of the interesting conversations and the pay. But the vacation is terrible. University jobs are good because of the beautiful students (I keep my hands to myself, but I can't help but notice), the vacation, the ample prep time, but the pay is lower than corporate work. |
Even with the E1 visa? PhDs make 4+ million/month. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| It depends too much on your priorities. I like teaching adults. A corporate job would be good because of the interesting conversations and the pay. But the vacation is terrible. University jobs are good because of the beautiful students (I keep my hands to myself, but I can't help but notice), the vacation, the ample prep time, but the pay is lower than corporate work. |
Even with the E1 visa? PhDs make 4+ million/month. |
Given the amount of time/money put into a Ph.D, that's really quite pathetic.
Surely they make more than that??
I have F-2 friend's with BA's pulling well over 5 million per month. Some do so without totally busting their butts raw, depending on how they've set up their schedule. |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I have F-2 friend's with BA's pulling well over 5 million per month. |
Geez Louise, how much money does one need?!
I guess maybe if I was supporting a spouse and a pack of kids and my housing wasn't provided for, that might be a necessity, but otherwise...man. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Given the amount of time/money put into a Ph.D, that's really quite pathetic.
Surely they make more than that??
I have F-2 friend's with BA's pulling well over 5 million per month. Some do so without totally busting their butts raw, depending on how they've set up their schedule. |
Bass...it maybe pathetic in Korea but back in Canada a fresh PhD grad gets a guest lecturer position. This pays about 50 000$ per year BEFORE taxes and then you have to work your academic butt off for 5-8 years to get within sniffing distance of tenure (unless you are working in a hot field of research and are a well recognized academic). Your average guest lecturer and even associate prof works nearly 60-70 hours per week. This includes teaching but mostly reasearch, writing, working to get burseries and funding for research projects....
You plug away like that for a few years and hope to get tenure. It is damned hard work!
In Korea with a F-2 you can make more than 5M per month with a B.A. but you work hard..unless again you have connections to particularily lucrative private lessons.
So 4M for a uni position for a new PHd is not bad considering that position is most likely that of a guest lecturer or just instructor working 12-15 hours per week..... |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Bass...it maybe pathetic in Korea but back in Canada a fresh PhD grad gets a guest lecturer position. This pays about 50 000$ per year BEFORE taxes and then you have to work your academic butt off for 5-8 years to get within sniffing distance of tenure (unless you are working in a hot field of research and are a well recognized academic). Your average guest lecturer and even associate prof works nearly 60-70 hours per week. This includes teaching but mostly reasearch, writing, working to get burseries and funding for research projects....
So 4M for a uni position for a new PHd is not bad considering that position is most likely that of a guest lecturer or just instructor working 12-15 hours per week..... |
Yes. And this is an optimistic scenario for English faculties. When I finished my doctorate about the best I could hope for, after some 75 applications came to nothing, was to be an adjunct teaching two or three courses a semester. I would have made perhaps $15-20,000 a year. Senior tenured professors can make very good wages, but it is a long, long, long climb to the top, and not many make it.
I like Korea, but knowing what I know now I would never have gone to graduate school in English literature. |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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Lol Rutabega I love your avatar. 
I agree with you, btw. I can't justify going to grad school when
1. I am completely sick of school
2. I wouldn't learn much I couldn't learn on my own
3. I would thrust myself deeper in debt
4. I would likely never make enough money to live the kind of life I want (which is not exactly extravagant...ok maybe just a little...what I'm saying is I would quite enjoy a hedge maze and a personal library, that's all) |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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The down side of teaching in a 학원 is that you get almost no vacation time.
The down side of teaching in a public school is that you have a Korean teacher barging in and translating everything you say. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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The poll is a little skewed, as people with different qualifications will fit into different categories and thus pick what is best for their category.
I picked international school because I am a certified teacher and I like to be treated as a professional. For those who are not on F2 visas and work at such schools, people get E7 visas for those jobs. |
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yeremy
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: Anywhere's there's a good bookstore.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Poll |
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| Originally, I had a couple of options for those with F visas, but Dave's software told me I had too many options. That could be why you think the poll is "skewed." Thanks for the feedback. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Skewed or not, this question is a no-brainer. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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University departmental job, hands down, but it all depends on the terms of employment and whether or not term limits are enforced.
And, sure, I have BA holding friends with F visas, and, sure, they can pull 7-10 million a month. However, they're working VERY long hours doing work that I don't want to do! To each their own. |
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