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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: Re: Indonesia |
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| It'll be rainy season in winter in Indonesia. I'd recommend further north. |
Umm... Most of Indonesia is below the equator. Meaning January is summer. And it usually only rains in the afternoon & at night. Plus it never snows below 5,000 metres. The Dieng Plateau in Java sometimes has frost in August. This is not Korea, people. How did Bukittingi fare in the recent quake? Lake Toba, Nias & Bukit Lawang are all still operating. Java can easily chew up 3-4 weeks, then another week for Bali & Lombok.
Peninsular Malaysia can be done in about 7-9 days. |
So.... you're saying that because it's 'summer', there won't be any rain? You do realize that ~ Oct-Mar is the rainy season for Indonesia, regardless of whether it is their 'summer' or not.
Geez, you guys are quick to call out 'wrong' when a simple read through of any site pertaining to weather in these areas would indicate that I'm not making this stuff up. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: Indonesia |
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http://www.holidaycheck.com/data/common/graph/wetter_rid_399_en.png
RTG, I've been to Bali, Lombok, Java, & Sumatra in December, January February.
Yes, the best travel season is May to September, (I've also been at that time of year too), but I still had a good time:
http://www.treklens.com/members/chrisJ/photos/Asia/Indonesia/
http://www.trekearth.com/members/ChrisJ/photos/Asia/Indonesia/
http://www.trekearth.com/members/ChrisJ/photos/Asia/Malaysia/
http://www.treklens.com/members/chrisJ/photos/Asia/Malaysia/
In any case, it rains all year round, in peninsular Malaysia & Sumatra & West Java. Do the sightseeing early morning, have lunch, & watch the afternoon storms from your guesthouse / losmen veranda with a cold Bintang. Not so hard to do! |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Indonesia |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
http://www.holidaycheck.com/data/common/graph/wetter_rid_399_en.png
RTG, I've been to Bali, Lombok, Java, & Sumatra in December, January February.
Yes, the best travel season is May to September, (I've also been at that time of year too), but I still had a good time:
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The OP was looking on tips for places to go. I said the northern areas like Thailand, Cambodia, etc. would be better because it's the rainy season in Indonesia while those areas would likely enjoy sunny weather.
I said it was the rainy season. You confirmed it was the rainy season. What's your contention again? That you can have fun in the rainy season? Sure, why not. It does not negate what I've said in any way. K thanks. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| And your pics look very nice. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: SEA |
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| it's the rainy season in Indonesia |
RTG, my point was that the distinction between winter & summer, rainy season & dry season, becomes very blurred & meaningless in the equatorial tropics, where it rains ALL year round, & is always hot & humid. Unless you go up into the mountains like Dieng Plateau, Bandung, Malang, Lake Toba or Bukitinggi.
I've also been to Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Thailand, Myanmar, & Vietnam in northern hemisphere winter (J,F,M) and would agree that winter is the best time for those areas. I know September / October is a bad time to be in Bangkok. They have more rain then, than Seoul in July.
It's not until you get to Flores, Sumba, Sumbawa, Timor etc, in the Southern Hemisphere, that there is a very clear distinction between wet & dry, winter and summer. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| No. There are two monsoon seasons. The Eastern and N. Eastern areas are affected during the winter time, between October and February-ish. June to September is the Southwestern monsoon. Depending on the region, you may or may not be affected. You can go look it up if you'd like. Don't take my word for it. |
"Around September, with the sun fast retreating south, the northern land mass of the Indian subcontinent begins to cool off rapidly. With this air pressure begins to build over northern India. The Indian Ocean and its surrounding atmosphere still holds its heat. This causes the cold wind to sweep down from the Himalayas and Indo-Gangetic Plain towards the vast spans of the Indian Ocean south of the Deccan peninsula. This is known as the North-East Monsoon or Retreating Monsoon.
While traveling towards the Indian Ocean, the dry cold wind picks up some moisture from the Bay of Bengal and pours it over peninsular India. Cities like Chennai, which get less rain from the South-West Monsoon, receives rain from the Retreating Monsoon. About 50% - 60% of the rain received by the state of Tamil Nadu is from the North-East Monsoon.[20]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon#Asia-Australian_Monsoon
I was in north India: Siliguri Junction to Darjeeling. Which is nowhere near Chennai / Tamil Nadu in the south.
RTG, have you actually been to any of these countries? |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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RTG wrote:
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| No. There are two monsoon seasons. The Eastern and N. Eastern areas are affected during the winter time, between October and February-ish. June to September is the Southwestern monsoon. Depending on the region, you may or may not be affected. You can go look it up if you'd like. Don't take my word for it. |
"Around September, with the sun fast retreating south, the northern land mass of the Indian subcontinent begins to cool off rapidly. With this air pressure begins to build over northern India. The Indian Ocean and its surrounding atmosphere still holds its heat. This causes the cold wind to sweep down from the Himalayas and Indo-Gangetic Plain towards the vast spans of the Indian Ocean south of the Deccan peninsula. This is known as the North-East Monsoon or Retreating Monsoon.
While traveling towards the Indian Ocean, the dry cold wind picks up some moisture from the Bay of Bengal and pours it over peninsular India. Cities like Chennai, which get less rain from the South-West Monsoon, receives rain from the Retreating Monsoon. About 50% - 60% of the rain received by the state of Tamil Nadu is from the North-East Monsoon.[20]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon#Asia-Australian_Monsoon
I was in north India: Siliguri Junction to Darjeeling. Which is nowhere near Chennai / Tamil Nadu in the south.
RTG, have you actually been to any of these countries? |
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Northern India, huh? So what? WHAT does that have to do with what I wrote? Was I talking about those areas?! No. Please reply to what I write and not to what you think I'm writing.
And I still fail to see why you continually respond with your empty rhetoric that does nothing to negate anything I say anyway. You can just stop now. You're not disagreeing with me. You're just posting a bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying in a frivolous pursuit to show that I don't know what I'm talking about. Which I obviously do. Ok? Got it now? You have a nice day. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: SEA |
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| it's the rainy season in Indonesia |
RTG, my point was that the distinction between winter & summer, rainy season & dry season, becomes very blurred & meaningless in the equatorial tropics, where it rains ALL year round, & is always hot & humid. Unless you go up into the mountains like Dieng Plateau, Bandung, Malang, Lake Toba or Bukitinggi.
It's not until you get to Flores, Sumba, Sumbawa, Timor etc, in the Southern Hemisphere, that there is a very clear distinction between wet & dry, winter and summer. |
Seriously. You don't have a point. There's a rainy season where it, you know, rains more. Quit arguing it with semantics. YOU already posted a chart demonstrating that. Really, you can stop. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: India / Indonesia |
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| Northern India, huh? So what? WHAT does that have to do with what I wrote? |
Your statement was very misleading, as it wrongly inferred all of north east & east India are affected by the secondary monsoon.
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| The Eastern and N. Eastern areas are affected during the winter time |
If you had of said south eastern India (Tamil Nadu) you would have been correct. But you didn't. Chennai is NOT in N. Eastern India.
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| There's a rainy season where it, you know, rains more. Quit arguing it with semantics. YOU already posted a chart demonstrating that. Really, you can stop. |
RTG, you don't even know something as basic as the seasons are reversed south of the equator, and yet you try to argue that I don't know what I'm talking about?
The graph I gave was for Bali, which is not representative of all of Indonesia. There is no clear rainy season or winter in peninsular Malaysia or Sumatra. They have equatorial climates. Notice the temperatures in the following graphs. There is no severe dip.
http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/climatecharts/singapore.jpg
Medan: http://www.climatetemp.info/graph/medan-sumatra_files/image001.gif
KL: http://images.itc-uk.com/websiteimages/classics/weatherchart/MalaysiaCO.gif
Jakarta: http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/climatecharts/jakarta.jpg
So where is Singapore's rainy season?
http://www.worldexecutive.com/cityguides/climatecharts/singapore.jp
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| An equatorial climate, also known as a tropical rainforest climate, is a type of tropical climate in which there is no dry season � all months have mean precipitation values of at least 60 mm (2.36 inches). Equatorial climates have no pronounced summer or winter; it is hot and wet throughout the year and rainfall is heavy and falls throughout the afternoon on an almost daily basis. One day in an equatorial climate is very similar to the next, while the change in temperature between day and night may be larger than the average change in temperature between "summer" and "winter". |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_climate
http://www.geocities.com/mockturtl/images/7EQMAPFOREST.gif
Which Asian countries exactly have you been to again, rtg?
Where is the pouring rain in this Sumatran shot?
http://www.treklens.com/viewphotos.php?l=7&p=94754 |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, more empty rhetoric. As amusing as your continuous red herrings and blatant misdirection are, you're not saying anything new, nor are you negating anything I've said. And haven't I said that already as well?
I'm sure the OP has more than enough info. to make whatever decisions he wants to make. You alone have provided enough graphs and charts to back up my initial statements while simultaneously trying to undermine them. It's both comical... and a bit ironic. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: SEA |
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rtg: Your initial statements were wrong & misleading. There is no winter or summer in equatorial regions, nor is there a pronounced dry or rainy season in Sumatra or West Malaysia. Nor is January, winter in Java & Bali. It's summer. To dismiss these glaring errors as mere 'semantics', is not only comical, but highly facetious on your part.
Neither is there a winter monsoon in Bengal province in north India.
OP: If you wish to receive any meaningful information on travel to Indonesia or SEA, from someone who's been around the block more than once (I doubt if rtg has ever set foot in Indonesia) please pm me. I've only been to Bengal Province in India, but have been to Nepal twice, Indonesia 4 times (6 months travel there) Malaysia 4 times, Thailand 26 times, Vietnam (twice), Laos (1), Cambodia (1), China (6), Singapore (4) & bits of Myanmar. I have better things to do with my time, than argue with egotistical idiots. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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www.wikitravel.com
India:
Climate:
"The Northeast monsoon hits the east coast between October and February, mostly in the form of occasional cyclones which cause much devastation every year. The only region that gets rains from both monsoons is Northeastern India, which consequently experiences the highest rainfall in the world. "
Indonesia:
Climate
"Upon arrival and disembarking from the plane, you'll immediately notice the sudden rush of warm, wet air. Indonesia is a warm place. It has no spring, summer, fall, or winter, just two seasons: rainy and dry, both of which are relative (it still rains during the dry season, it just rains less). While there is significant regional variation, in most of the country (including Java and Bali) the dry season is April to October, while the wet season is November to March. "
Ah well. You're full of crap and you've been called on it multiple times. You can keep showcasing your pretentious d-baggery, but really, is it necessary? |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: SEA |
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| rtg: Your initial statements were wrong & misleading. There is no winter or summer in equatorial regions, nor is there a pronounced dry or rainy season in Sumatra or West Malaysia. . |
And I'm just beside myself to learn by what stretch of your extended imagination you came to the conclusion that I don't know about the Southern Hemisphere seasons. This is the Korean forum. The OP is presumably in Korea. Guess what, in WINTER time in Korea, it is the RAINY season in Indonesia. You either intentionally misconstrued what I said to make it sound like it's winter in Indonesia, or you're just a complete blockhead. Neither would surprise me.
And then of course there's this little reversal:
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Meaning January is summer.
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There is no winter or summer in equatorial regions,
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Your wikitravel article refers to Java & Bali. It also states that it still rains in the so called 'dry' season. Bali is NOT Sumatra & Malaysia, which have an EQUATORIAL climate, ie no rainy season.
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| And again, in winter, you have to be wary of monsoon affected areas (Eastern and N. Eastern areas). |
This contradicts your later quote. There is no winter monsoon with heavy rainfall in Bengal.
Repeating a fallacy ad nauseum does not make it correct. You are the one who has misconstrued. South of the equator is SUMMER regardless of whether it has an Equatorial climate or not, whichever way you cut it. I'll be sending the OP a pm.
You can misquote & waffle all you like, as I won't be responding further, rtg. |
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