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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: Fromtheuk is claiming government benefits |
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My Saudi visa has been delayed. It's frustrating, but I've been told I should get my visa soon and will leave for Saudi by the end of October, at the very latest.
I will now receive 60-odd pounds a week from the government. They'll back date my pay, but it may take 3 weeks to process.
I'm living with family anyway.
I know Americans look down on people who claim government benefits, but I've 'got off my a$$ and found a job'. I'm just waiting for my employer-to-be to get on with things.
Are you courageous enough to admit you've claimed government benefits before?  |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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Given how the NZ Govt. gouges on everything right, left and centre (student loans with originally 3 month compounded interest, passports are now only for 5 years etc etc) I have zero problem with getting the dole.
I even got my wife to go on the dole too.
F-kiwi. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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Never been.
Are there no casual labour jobs available? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Are there no casual labour jobs available? |
Social and economic policies such as minimum wage and the welfare state (and the taxation required to fund it, and also to literally police it due to the culture of criminality and savagery created by such a state) means there are far fewer available than would otherwise be the case.
"...forbid a man to be usefully employed at, say, $90 per week, in order that we may pay him $70 per week in idleness" - Hazlitt
You've also prolly gotta have a licence to lay a brick or sweep a floor or put the kettle on these days, too. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Are there no casual labour jobs available? |
Social and economic policies such as minimum wage and the welfare state (and the taxation required to fund it, and also to literally police it due to the culture of criminality and savagery created by such a state) means there are far fewer available than would otherwise be the case.
"...forbid a man to be usefully employed at, say, $90 per week, in order that we may pay him $70 per week in idleness" - Hazlitt
You've prolly gotta have a licence to lay a brick or sweep a floor or put the kettle on these days, too. |
I was in a situation where I could get $180NZ on the dole or $220(after tax) for working 30 hours. It was a short term situation between leaving uni and coming here. If you are a rational person, which option would you take? The same situation appears for single women. If you have no skills, you will be on the $12 an hour minimum wage. About $320 a week after taxes. But if you pop out a kid you can get the same amount, if not more by the time you add in other allowances. I'm not blaming welfare recipients in any way, they are just making the most rational decision for them, but what kind of world is it where this is considered to be the right thing to do? It helps no one in the long run. |
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ekul
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| You've also prolly gotta have a licence to lay a brick. |
Of course you need some kind of qualification to lay bricks, ever seen a good bricklayer than can lay over 1000 bricks a day?
Never claimed the dole and hopefully never will. As for fromtheuk, in your situation when you've been working in Korea and are claiming the dole for a few weeks of unemployment I find it pretty weak. You didn't save enough in Korea to tide you over a month of two of living at home with your parents? |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't you write about this on the middle east forum. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I know Americans look down on people who claim government benefits, but I've 'got off my a$$ and found a job'. I'm just waiting for my employer-to-be to get on with things. |
I'm an American and I definitely don't look down on anyone who receives support from government benefits. I think the far right in our country is just a really vocal minority whose views get misconstrued as the general consensus of everyone else here. There are just as many (if not more) Americans who are tired of the "socialism is evil/ the unemployed are just lazy" propaganda as there are those who subscribe to it.
Job opportunities here have been very scarce for a long time now and that's without the burden of full blown socialist programs. And of course, if you're not employed you're probably not insured for health care, and if you're not insured for health care, you won't be allowed any treatment until you're in the midst of a blatant emergency, which, if you manage to recover from, will leave you with more debt than three generations could hope to pay off even if they are all steadily employed (and in all likelihood, they won't be). |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fromtheuk is claiming government benefits |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
My Saudi visa has been delayed. It's frustrating, but I've been told I should get my visa soon and will leave for Saudi by the end of October, at the very latest.
I will now receive 60-odd pounds a week from the government. They'll back date my pay, but it may take 3 weeks to process.
I'm living with family anyway.
I know Americans look down on people who claim government benefits, but I've 'got off my a$$ and found a job'. I'm just waiting for my employer-to-be to get on with things.
Are you courageous enough to admit you've claimed government benefits before? |
Perhaps, if I may suggest, when things are working out you could give that money to charity. |
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giraffe
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Fromtheuk is claiming government benefits |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
I know Americans look down on people who claim government benefits, but I've 'got off my a$$ and found a job'. I'm just waiting for my employer-to-be to get on with things.
Are you courageous enough to admit you've claimed government benefits before? |
IM all for benefits! take advantage of it. YOu pay into the system your whole life might as well get some money out of it. NOthing wrong with it. |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| The same situation appears for single women. If you have no skills, you will be on the $12 an hour minimum wage. About $320 a week after taxes. But if you pop out a kid you can get the same amount, if not more by the time you add in other allowances. I'm not blaming welfare recipients in any way, they are just making the most rational decision for them, but what kind of world is it where this is considered to be the right thing to do? |
How many women do you honestly know who have kids in order to get a few hundred dollars a week? I'm sure there are plenty of idiots who have kids just to get benefits, but I'm quite doubtful that the majority of women decide to have children entirely for monetary gain. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| seonsengnimble wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| The same situation appears for single women. If you have no skills, you will be on the $12 an hour minimum wage. About $320 a week after taxes. But if you pop out a kid you can get the same amount, if not more by the time you add in other allowances. I'm not blaming welfare recipients in any way, they are just making the most rational decision for them, but what kind of world is it where this is considered to be the right thing to do? |
How many women do you honestly know who have kids in order to get a few hundred dollars a week? I'm sure there are plenty of idiots who have kids just to get benefits, but I'm quite doubtful that the majority of women decide to have children entirely for monetary gain. |
I never said the "majority" of women. I said single women with no skills. They are the people who are most at risk of becoming welfare dependent. When you dangle a carrot in front of them, they are likely to take it. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Street Magic wrote: |
| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I know Americans look down on people who claim government benefits, but I've 'got off my a$$ and found a job'. I'm just waiting for my employer-to-be to get on with things. |
I'm an American and I definitely don't look down on anyone who receives support from government benefits. I think the far right in our country is just a really vocal minority whose views get misconstrued as the general consensus of everyone else here. There are just as many (if not more) Americans who are tired of the "socialism is evil/ the unemployed are just lazy" propaganda as there are those who subscribe to it.
Job opportunities here have been very scarce for a long time now and that's without the burden of full blown socialist programs. And of course, if you're not employed you're probably not insured for health care, and if you're not insured for health care, you won't be allowed any treatment until you're in the midst of a blatant emergency, which, if you manage to recover from, will leave you with more debt than three generations could hope to pay off even if they are all steadily employed (and in all likelihood, they won't be). |
I don't look down on people who take welfare benefits, either. They are making the smart choice. However, you are missing one very important component to your equation. If you over tax the people who produce stuff, they stop producing. Then there is nothing left to tax to pay for your marvelous welfare schemes. Ask yourself why job opportunities are scarce? Where do jobs come from? From the govt? From taxes? From welfare? |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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In Canada, we have social assistance (welfare) and employment insurance (the dole?). EI used to be called UI (unemployment insurance). I collected welfare once back in 1995 in Quebec. I had moved from B.C. where i lived for not even two years in July and worked some jobs. I was waiting for this one job where I had 3 interviews. Started collecting welfare in October and got my last check in December. So 3 months. As far as I was concerned, I wasn't abusing the system. When I applied, I was living at my sister's on the outskirts of Montreal. I got them to sign a statement that I wasn't allowed to live there any longer and I liquidated my bank account to show I didn't have any money. I went to their office late on a Friday afternoon and they gave me a 1000 buck check right off the bat and then I got the rest the following Monday. Monthly checks from then on were only 296 bucks a month. I had to show them proof of having to pay rent, too. I lived near McGill University and paid 300 bucks/month to share some student's apartment. They didn't even give me enough to pay my rent!
Collected EI twice. Both times I qualified for benefits because I was laid off. First time I had completed 7 months of a contract that was initially only 3 months. Collected it it that time for only a couple of months. The third time? Collected it for 40 weeks (the maximum). 60% of my salary. Good times. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| I've been forced to pay for people's EI (government forced welfare) and CPP (welfare for old people). It does not make me happy, since I'm a responsible person and can take care of my own finances, and I also have a right to my own money without having it stolen by thieves like the government and filthy Canadian voters who've never had a proper economic thought in their minds. |
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