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dogbert
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Outside of the article in the Globe, I can't say that I know any of the details in this guy's case. I'm not about to make any sweeping generalizations of our immigration system - either to claim the system is too harsh or too lenient - based on on a single article about a single case.
I'm mildly amused to read dogbert's theory of Canada suffering from a "crack epidemic". (A Canadian weed epidemic, although not terribly accurate either, would have been a little closer to the truth.) Just as confused by diver giving this story as a good reason not to return to Canada. (Presumably to stay in South Korea, which in spite of its many fine qualities, is hardly a melting pot of nationalities, and even less of a haven for refugees fleeing for their lives, except if they happen to be North Korean, and even then...) |
You know, I was going to say weed, but then I figured that if that's what it were, they would have let the guy in already.
I shouldn't generalize based on this one case, but if the statements and reasoning attributed to the government officials are true, something is terribly wrong.
That said, I have no doubt that the Canadian people, known for being decent and fair, would be outraged if the man were sent to a certain death leaving his six-year-old boy behind in Canada. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:55 am Post subject: |
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He must have forgotten to scream "Allahu Akhbar!" when being interviewed by immigration. I've heard they fast track you then.
I hear that's required at interviews for Florida Flight Schools. |
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candu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I may be mistaken, but I don't think Ri has been sent to his death yet. We'll see what happens... |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| I may be mistaken, but I don't think Ri has been sent to his death yet. We'll see what happens... |
I hear Johnnie Cochrane is flying to Pyongyang as we speak. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The Canadian government should let him stay, if for no other reason that he will probably re-emigrate to South Korea in a few years anyway. Given North Korea's human rights record, just about anyone getting out of that country would have a good basis for claiming asylum. |
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Derrek
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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It's settled then.
Canada is a society which is unfair, unjust, and full of potheads.
Oh, and let's not forget that they aren't the USA.
Tell me something we didn't already know. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Given North Korea's human rights record, just about anyone getting out of that country would have a good basis for claiming asylum. |
Well, most people in North Korea are not in immediate danger of being shot. |
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mr.bojangles
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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cut canada a bit of a break- it's tough to decide who stays and who goes- america has pretty much shut its doors to everyone, and canada has followed suit in a number of ways under increasing political pressure from the u.s government. the fear that 'terrorists' will creep across our border into america has made a number of people on both sides suspicious. the trouble comes in the story, as it so often does: how is the canadian government to know if Ri is telling the truth, or if it's true that his exodus from n. korea was almost accidental, or circumstantial. where are they supposed to find this evidence? who can they trust in relation to the man's character and political leanings? the decisions that face the IRB (immigration and refugee board) right now are precedent-setting, and should definitely have been made with more care than they initially were, especially given the age of Ri's son, his inevitable orphaning if Ri's deported and Ri's potential execution. These two factors especially influence canada's decision, particularly in recent light of the cuts being made to child and family services and our lack of a death penalty. Right now they're under a lot of pressure, thankfully, through a combination of the globe & mail's recent articles and the canadians who don't want decisions made so rapidly and un-compassionately, to reconsider the ruling and perhaps offer Ri an alternate country or a place in their own.
anyways, that's just my take on it.. |
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Son Deureo!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Given North Korea's human rights record, just about anyone getting out of that country would have a good basis for claiming asylum. |
Well, most people in North Korea are not in immediate danger of being shot. |
Just starving to death. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
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Given North Korea's human rights record, just about anyone getting out of that country would have a good basis for claiming asylum.
Well, most people in North Korea are not in immediate danger of being shot.
Just starving to death. |
But someone who was about to starve to death would not likely be able to find his way to Canada. |
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dogbert
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ri competed to join a government system that classifies at least half the country's population of 26 million as "untrusted" - unreliable or disloyal - but he was awarded an international position of trust within this system that requires an elevated status and party loyalty above reproach. Ri's critics say he personally may not have imprisoned his fellow countrymen in the much-publicized gulags that dot the country, but his 10 years of work, beginning during the most desperate years of North Korea's famine, directly helped his bosses carry out their inhuman policies.
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The article, while it certainly reflects the opinions of the author, does help to put Canada's decision in some sort of broader context. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ri competed to join a government system that classifies at least half the country's population of 26 million as "untrusted" - unreliable or disloyal - but he was awarded an international position of trust within this system that requires an elevated status and party loyalty above reproach. Ri's critics say he personally may not have imprisoned his fellow countrymen in the much-publicized gulags that dot the country, but his 10 years of work, beginning during the most desperate years of North Korea's famine, directly helped his bosses carry out their inhuman policies.
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The article, while it certainly reflects the opinions of the author, does help to put Canada's decision in some sort of broader context. |
And, in fairness, the Canadian government is not immediately deporting Ri. |
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FUBAR
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian Immigration to deport North KOrean defector |
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040204.wriri0204/BNStory/National/
"In the past seven years, 35 North Koreans have applied for refugee status in Canada and just two have been granted asylum".
this is ridiculous! let the poor man stay! i am embarrased to say i am Canadian |
Let's wait and see what the story is before we jump on the Ri bandwagon. I suspect that the Canadian government has a tad more information than we do. A guy who is facing execution will do or say anything to save his life. I know I would. Sounds much like the guy in jail from Daegu for trying to smuggle drugs into the country. (But that is a whole nother can of worms.)
This story is pretty much one sided from as far as I can see. The media gives a few statements from the government and the rest goes to the plight of this man, that nobody heard of prior to his case. Why should we trust him? Why should we trust the newspaper? We all know the job of the media is to sell newspapers. |
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