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Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

I know a few people will discredit the article simply because of the Newspaper, but it does seem to raise some interesting questions.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254393079445&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Quote:

The Palestinian Authority's actions and rhetoric, especially in the past few weeks and months, show that hypocrisy has become a major component of its official policy.

PA President Mahmoud Abbas speaks at the 64th session of the United Nations General Assembly last week.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World One sometimes wonders whether the PA that speaks and acts during the day is the same PA that speaks and functions during the night.

During the day, the Palestinian Authority acts and speaks as if its leaders had never signed a peace treaty with Israel. During the day, Israel is the enemy that continues to deny the Palestinians their rights, seize their lands, arrest and kill their innocents, and expand existing settlements.

But during the night, the Palestinian Authority changes its colors and speaks and acts in a completely different manner. During the night, the Israeli enemy becomes a friend and peace partner with whom it's legitimate to conduct security coordination and eat in fancy restaurants.

Trevor · Joined: 16 Nov 2005

Big_Bird

Your article is just worthless opinionated drivel, lacking little substance or in depth analysis. It's preaching to a certain choir, telling them what they like to hear. Aren't we good, and aren't they the naughty ones?

And every one of their main charges could equally be levelled back at them.

Just silly, really.

Not surprised you liked it though, S Wine.

And do you dispute this?:

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

BB, I apologise if you felt I am wasting your time for bringing it to your attention.

Though, you seem to have already made your mind up about the issue and nothing seems to make you question it.

I am always interested in learning as much about the issue and not simply accepting all the propaganda provided.

It raised a question for me as to what relationship really does exist between the PA and Israel. How badly are they suffering, (not the public etc.) Also are they part of the problem and what other choices exist for a political party except for them or the Hamas in the issue.

There are a number of questions that need to be asked. It would be good if everyone could take a step back and address the issue without so much noise, but I guess we can't do that.

Some day I would like to see the issue solved, but as it has gone on for 2 - 3 times longer than my age, so it will probably last longer than me.

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Summerwine,

I have no problem with the article and don't judge the messenger. That should be the first rule, argue with the facts not those printing them....

It has been for me, 4 years since I lost ALL FAITH in the PA. It became quite apparent during Arafat's last years that it was but a bloated and power crazy and laden organization, devoid of ideas. Any party, platform, organization, union, affiliate, group, community, culture without ideas is a flat tire and will sooner or later be thrown on the waste heap of history - having served its purpose and place in time.

It is not new to me that the PA officials drive big cars, visit Israel and act as fat cats. No news there. What is new is that they even now, don't even have the pretense of protecting their citizenry. All so apparent in the latest fiasco about the war crimes suit, Abbas shuffled off in chains to America etc... yadda yadda.

It is all about $$$$ and not freeing prisoners, peace etc... Get them a cell phone provider contract/security and they'd sell their mother to the first sex slave trader. Really sad.

I think democracy flourishes through alternatives, competing alternatives. But for the Palestinians, increasingly there is no other clear one but Hamas and that is to the detriment of the region. Same goes with Israel. There is no vision and no alternative.

Sad all round.

DD
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Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

Good points ddeubel.

It must be difficult for the palestinians always seeming to have to accept one or the other as a viable choice. My country seems to have 3 terms of power for a party as its sticking point. Usually they just get sick of them and thier arrogance and change them after that for the opposition.

I guess its human nature to like change, also its probably human nature to become arrogant when you can hold power for so long. Back in 1983 a book was written by an Israeli liberal and one point stuck in my mind.

He said the biggest problem for the success of Israel and good relations between the palestinians and the Israelis is the surrounding countries. As a truly democratic and prosperous state in the region would reflect badly on them.

I wonder if that is the fear for some people even now. West bank has Jordan on its borders and no reason they cant make a deal with Israel to open up borders and Gaza has Egypt. Yet, there doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion about them or their lack of desire to put international customs officers on the border that would search every vehicle that goes into the region so as to allow cross border trade while aleviating Israeli fears of large weapons being imported into the country.

There seem to be options available, they just don't seem to be publically discussed. Though, maybe they have been discussed and I missed reading that paper.