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yakey
Joined: 21 Apr 2003
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: The English Country Passport Rule is bogus |
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English Teaching jobs should be given after interviewing candidates, checking credentials, getting references, etc.
Whoever started this ridiculous idea linking passports to English teaching ability is a complete imbecile.
Shame on you Korean government, and any other government implementing this foolish prerequisite.
One of the best English speakers and educators I know is an ex-classmate who now teaches at Stanford. He's Egyptian, by the way.
The best teacher bar none at my high school in Texas was Iranian.
But based on Korean law, neither deserves an interview in Korea.
What a disgrace. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Some sort of exceptional circumstance rule would be logical, but too much trouble really. Koreans are getting good enough with existing rules. Why would they bother? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: The English Country Passport Rule is bogus |
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| yakey wrote: |
English Teaching jobs should be given after interviewing candidates, checking credentials, getting references, etc.
Whoever started this ridiculous idea linking passports to English teaching ability is a complete imbecile.
Agreed. Then it's a good idea that Korea doesn't do this as Korean nationals can also get a job teaching English. And CITIZENSHIP of one of the Big Seven is only one of the requirements. You need a degree and you need references and if you have credentials you can get a higher level of pay (at least in public schools) So Korea does all of those. And you are aware that the objective is hiring NATIVE speakers not TEACHERS per se yes?
But based on Korean law, neither deserves an interview in Korea.
Only it's not Korea law, it's EDUCATION and Immigration policy.
What a disgrace. |
A equal disgrace is people commenting on things they don't understand. |
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mongolian spot
Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with urban on this one. Your post is just dumb, they want native speakers not teacher of the year. If you speak to any Korean they would take the native speaker everytime, why would they want an Iranian? They don't want to live in Iran! They want to live or study in US, Canada, UK, or Australia.
Also, your assuming that the job is difficult! It isn't and mostly levels are very low. If i started using professional english teaching techniques at my shitwon i would be out of a job. It's a surface game over here, don't take this stuff too serious dude because they don't.
If i was a parent in my country paying money to have my kid learn French i too would DEMAND a French native speaker 'Oh, but he is from Germany and has all the qualifications' hahahah, no thanks.
Actually i think the seven countries idea is a good one, it just would be nice if they had a better filter for the losers who come here from those countries. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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OP,
I knew a man from an Eastern European country who came here to work through ministry, however when that failed he taught English to support himself. He could speak and understand fluently, however he was dismayed at the 'games' his employer would play. For example, if they knew that immigration would do a spot check, they would call him and tell him not to come in. Shuffled around with dishonest employers, he had had enough and decided to leave.
Almost anyone can teach someone how to speak English in a conversational manner, if they speak it fluently already. The system in place is flawed, period.
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| A equal disgrace is people commenting on things they don't understand. |
Practice what you preach  |
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mongolian spot
Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
OP,
I knew a man from an Eastern European country who came here to work through ministry, however when that failed he taught English to support himself. He could speak and understand fluently, however he was dismayed at the 'games' his employer would play. For example, if they knew that immigration would do a spot check, they would call him and tell him not to come in. Shuffled around with dishonest employers, he had had enough and decided to leave.
Almost anyone can teach someone how to speak English in a conversational manner, if they speak it fluently already. The system in place is flawed, period.
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| A equal disgrace is people commenting on things they don't understand. |
Practice what you preach |
FLAWED!!!!!!
Are you guys for real. We are NATIVE teachers, do you understand native? They want Native teachers for the job, why is that so flawed. I guess all Koreans in the education system are less in the know than you chumps. |
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poeticjustice
Joined: 28 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: The English Country Passport Rule is bogus |
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| yakey wrote: |
The best teacher bar none at my high school in Texas was Iranian.
But based on Korean law, neither deserves an interview in Korea.
What a disgrace. |
Those teachers don't belong here.
This would suck for anyone who isn't white and who is qualified.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
OP,
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| A equal disgrace is people commenting on things they don't understand. |
Practice what you preach |
I always do. Maybe you should take your own advice. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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The passport rule is not that difficult to bypass, legally.
You just have to know the rules a little bit better. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Fourth dumbest thread of the year. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| mongolian spot wrote: |
I have to agree with urban on this one. Your post is just dumb, they want native speakers not teacher of the year. If you speak to any Korean they would take the native speaker everytime, why would they want an Iranian? They don't want to live in Iran! They want to live or study in US, Canada, UK, or Australia.
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The current trend in TESOL (as in the organization, its publications, and conferences) is to not teach English as preparation to live in western countries but within the context of a learner's own country and context.
Most Koreans who seriously study English do not plan to live abroad but to possibly correspond with people abroad for business purposes. Given the widespread trend of outsourcing and heterogenous makeup of the business world, Koreans in this situation are just as likely to communicate with other people than just westerners in English.
However, my own nationalist, racist, and western-centric views lead me to agree with you in this case. |
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buildbyflying
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: To your right. No, your other right.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| However, my own nationalist, racist, and western-centric views lead me to agree with you in this case. |
Ditto. My half-cracker-ass only wants to see other crackers. In fact I don't even belong here, I'm a self hating half-cracker-ass cracker. |
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rowdie3
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| Fourth dumbest thread of the year. |
LOL Please provide the first three!
Also, someone said you had to be "white". Hilarious. Someone needs to think before they type. Non caucasians can also be native English speakers....  |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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It's all about money. Koreans would rather pay less for an underqualified or semi-qualified "native-speaker" than fork over the big bucks for someone who is really qualified. Not that there aren't plenty of well qualified teachers here... it just seems to be the attitude of recruiters and schools who do the hiring.
Their policies will come and bite them in the back side one day. (if they haven't already) |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
It's all about money. Koreans would rather pay less for an underqualified or semi-qualified "native-speaker" than fork over the big bucks for someone who is really qualified. Not that there aren't plenty of well qualified teachers here... it just seems to be the attitude of recruiters and schools who do the hiring.
Their policies will come and bite them in the back side one day. (if they haven't already) |
Bingo.
Korea can't afford to attract certified teachers, unless they want to up the pay by 20% and give them a full 12 weeks off paid. But they'll still trot out this 'unqualified' meme from time to time. I asked two of my Korean friends what they think 'unqualified' meant and they said "somebody who does drugs and breaks sexual laws". So that's about 1-2% of teachers? How do either of those things affect a teacher's ability.
These are bright girls but I was really dismayed to hear them parroting the media line. |
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