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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
In any case, I think the main reason he won this award is because he's not George Bush, and the committee feels they should give him an award for that.

That's something that deserves more than an award. It deserves applause, a vacation home at Tahoe, a hearty pat on the back, and our undying gratitude.

Gopher's right this time, though, that he's not enough unlike Bush to make us smile all the time. Should he refuse it, and be the first to ever do so? Only if he can make a speech when he does. You don't have to agree with or like what he says, but you have to admit that this is when he shines.

You don't get the Peace Prize for making peace, you get it for trying hard to do so. Kissinger deserved his, because it might have worked. So did Kim Daejung, for the same reason. Peace seldom really works, but it's worth trying hard for.

Repudiating 85% of of what Geo Bush Jr was all about is worth a lot.

It's a good day for the American president. It's a good day for America.

visitorq
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Obama is a proven liar. (...)If he wanted to end the war, he'd have done it yesterday.

He never promised any such thing. If you thought so you were hearing what you wanted to hear. He promised he would wind down the Iraq engagement and concentrate on Afghanistan, which is where the terrorists really are.

Big surprise. That's what he's been doing.

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Anyway, if anything Obama is a war criminal, deliberately continuing down the same path as his predecessor, expanding the wars.

You were high when you wrote that, weren't you? That's kinda cute. I remember when I was freshman in university. It was awesome.
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Bondrock



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course Obama is not a war criminal. lobbing those kinds of accusations does little to add to the discussion here.

5 Norwegians seem to be trying to influence the US President in his decision making process. that is the issue as I see it.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
In any case, I think the main reason he won this award is because he's not George Bush, and the committee feels they should give him an award for that.

That's something that deserves more than an award. It deserves applause, a vacation home at Tahoe, a hearty pat on the back, and our undying gratitude.


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/09/oakley.obama.nobel/index.html

You see... I was right! Laughing
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Old Gil



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Old Gil wrote:
Obama is being realistic, realism is the only way to go about foreign policy. minimize the damage. the system is in place the only moral thing to do is to ensure the failures are not catastrophic



Be realistic, do nothing, minimize the damage, change nothing for the better, and win the Nobel Peace prize based on hopes and promises, smoke and mirrors, lies and deception, fakery and fraud.

Ponzi economics
Ponzi politics
Ponzi Peace Prize


Being realistic and doing nothing are not the same thing, this is so obvious I shouldn't have to say it but there you are. Ponzi politics makes no sense btw.
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alphalfa



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awarding a Nobel peace prize to Obama is a crock of kimchi poo!!

The Nobel Prize Committee has done something extraordinary. It has awarded the world�s most prestigious prize for preventing and savings lives, for avoiding or ending conflict, for making the world a better and safer place, to a man who has...made some terrific speeches. It is the ultimate triumph of style over substance, of perception over reality.

But perhaps fitting nonetheless. The Nobel Peace prize is in itself the ultimate irony. Alfred Nobel was the man who invented dynamite � a destroyer of lives -- yet his name bears the honor bestowed on those who would save lives.

President Obama may well bring about nuclear disarmament, universal world peace and a permanent cessation of war. At this point, however, he has only made a handful of speeches about them. He has done nothing of substance -- he has not halted one nuclear enrichment plant, stopped one missile program, converted one terrorist , signed one treaty or even softened one bellicose speech by an adversary.

In a world where there are real nuclear weapons and real enemies, the notion that the perception of peace matters more than its reality is not just absurd, it's dangerous.

Ronald Reagan brought down the Iron Curtain, freed millions from tyranny, ended the Cold War, defeated the Soviet Union, ELIMINATED tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, and he didn't even get an honorable mention from the Nobel Committee. Obama makes (by my count) 7 great speeches and he gets a Nobel Peace Prize. Go figure.


And then this...

The ten elderly Norwegians who sit on the selection committee made no bones about what they hoped this award might bear.

Nobel spokesman Thorbjorn Jagland told reporters that he hoped the prize would support Obama's efforts to address nuclear proliferation and climate change and to work through established international bodies (pointedly, unlike his predecessor) to pursue his goals.

"We have not given the prize for what may happen in the future," Jagland said. "We are awarding Obama for what he has done in the past and we are hoping this may contribute a little bit to what he is trying to do."

In its statement, the committee singled out Obama's speech on Islam delivered in Cairo last spring, a reaching out that was well, if cautiously, received at the time.


Star power was what won this award, his critics say. Where's the achievement?

It's not hard to believe that the president, being awakened at dawn and told he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, immediately asked if it could be given back.

Shame on the Nobel committee!
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:


visitorq
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Obama is a proven liar. (...)If he wanted to end the war, he'd have done it yesterday.

He never promised any such thing. If you thought so you were hearing what you wanted to hear. He promised he would wind down the Iraq engagement and concentrate on Afghanistan, which is where the terrorists really are.

Big surprise. That's what he's been doing.

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Anyway, if anything Obama is a war criminal, deliberately continuing down the same path as his predecessor, expanding the wars.

You were high when you wrote that, weren't you? That's kinda cute. I remember when I was freshman in university. It was awesome.

You're not sounding very cute Bobster... Just mistaken, and very naive.

Unlike you I don't put stock into mere words. Actions are what matter. You Obama supporters just tune into the tele each day and watch him smile and read from a teleprompter, telling you all the lies you want to hear. And you believe them. But when you actually look into what he does (if you can actually take the time), you find that he is a liar.

He has not scaled down the war in Iraq, and has no intentions of doing so. He is expanding it in Afghanistan, but there is no real threat there (as if there ever was... "terrorists" - don't make me laugh). It's just a miserable, desolate pile of rocks populated by destitute goat herders. They've got nothing (except some of the weapons we gave them). It happens to be where they grow most of the world's heroin though. I guess we'd better send troops in to make sure the shipments keep coming through...
ohh, but that's just a conspiracy right? Ever looked into it? (hint: they won't mention it on CNN).

If you want to stick to the facts, Obama is a miserable excuse for a president - nothing more than a puppet for Wallstreet. Every member of his administration is from Wallstreet, and working for Wallstreet. Geithner (ex president of the private, for profit NY Fed, ie. Wallstreet par excellence) is now the Treasury Secretary. He's allowing people like Larry Summers, one of the biggest Wallstreet crooks of them all, to make some of the most important decisions for our economy. And he's now handing the entire economy over to the private Fed, allowing them to rape us for all we're worth. Tens of trillions already pilfered, and you Bobster (as well as yours truly) are left holding the bill (with interest attached I might add).

No, Bobster, you really need to wake up and smell the corruption. You claim to be anti-Bush (as am I), and yet pro-Obama? This is absurd (buying into the phony left/right wing paradigm), they are just two faces of the same coin, taking their orders from the same group of financial oligarchs running the show behind the scenes. This is a fact.
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catman



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should have turned the prize down. This will be an albatross that will come back to haunt him.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How come Reagan never won the Peace Prize for helping end the Cold War?

You would think united Germany in itself is a worthy accomplishment to warrant the Peace Prize.

Oh wait, Reagan was a Republican. I guess that disqualified him.
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alphalfa wrote:
It has awarded the world�s most prestigious prize for preventing and savings lives...

Sorry, but this line made me laugh. Although, with the continuing threat of overpopulation...
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Triban



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

I have lost all faith in humanity.
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Koveras



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
SeoulFinn wrote:
I hope that he does the decent thing and won't accept the prize. Really, what has he done to deserve it? Not that much if you ask me. Maybe later, but not now.


I think Obama accepting the prize will hurt him politally. However, if he were humble and he rejected the prize saying that it is premature to accept the prize then he'll win a lot of points.

However, rejecting a Nobel Prize would really hurt the Nobel committee. Has anyone rejected a prize before?

Sartre rejected his, on grounds that such petty bourgeois patting on the back distracts us from getting involved in real world issues. I agree.

Anyway, if anything Obama is a war criminal, deliberately continuing down the same path as his predecessor, expanding the wars. His receiving such an award is just a farce, plain and simple.


i believe patrick white declined his as well on grounds that he was a grumpy recluse who didnt want to leave home,
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Old Gil



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
How come Reagan never won the Peace Prize for helping end the Cold War?

You would think united Germany in itself is a worthy accomplishment to warrant the Peace Prize.

Oh wait, Reagan was a Republican. I guess that disqualified him.


Gorbachev would deserve that award in any case. No one is going to give a Peace Prize to a politician that engenders the collapse of a foreign regime anyway, especially one that is in the midst of liberalization.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't the committee have given Obama another three years' opportunity to earn this?

FORMER POLISH PRESIDENT AND NOBEL PRIZE WINNER LECH WALESA wrote:
So soon? This is too soon. He has not yet made a real input. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act.


And, this hurts, I also agree (somewhat) with this guy:

IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER MANOUCHEHR MOTTAKI wrote:
The appropriate time for awarding such a prize is when foreign military forces leave Iraq and Afghanistan and when one stands by the rights of the oppressed Palestinian people.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Couldn't the committee have given Obama another three years' opportunity to earn this?


Not if the committee considers it urgent to increase B. Obama's prestige before the midterm elections 2010, and before he faces reelection in 2012.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must have been a slow year.
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