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[mises]

I'm still pissed off at Harper about the income trust fiasco.

Canada is running a deficit under the Cons. That sucks. Would it be different with Iggy? Nah. The Cons are Liberals. The Liberals are everything to everybody.

I'll bit my lip and vote green. Unless there is another choice on the ballot (libertarian etc).

[freethought]

re: debt, I meant deficit. simple typo.

re: pot, it's a 10 billion dollar a year industry. Legalize it and bring roughly 80% of that 10 billion above board, meaning 8 billion. At an average income tax rate of 30% for growers and suppliers, might get 2.5 billion. Then GST and any other special taxes would mean potentially a billion dollars, if not a great deal more if 'health' taxes similar to tobacco are put in place. You then count savings in police work, crown work, incarceration. When all of these are taken into account it would likely be at least 4 billion in generated revenues.

I will contest your use of the word 'need' re: criminal penalties. Why do we 'need' harsher penalties? You can say we want harsher penalties, but we don't need them. Youth crime might be the best example. The US has some of the harshest youth crime penalties in the world. Their crime rate is much higher than ours. I haven't looked at this in years, but from way back when most studies seemed to suggest that man-mins and harsher sentences don't reduce crime rates. I'm not saying lower crime rates across the board, just think that the word need doesn't apply.

I don't know anyone who wants to 'nurture' pedophiles. Harsher sentences for sex crimes across the board would be a good thing. The number of Gang crimes are not impacted by harsher penalties, but locking people up for much longer would reduce recidivism rates. I think drunk drivers should be on the hook for all medical and police expenses if they are found guilty. So if an accident is caused and they are someone else is injured the provincial health plan still pays, but if they have to sell off everything the driver owns to pay for treatment etc, so be it.

But harsher penalties across the board do not work as a deterrent.

As for climate change, one posting on their website, in which a lot is dedicated to blaming the Liberals (they opposed Kyoto, they opposed higher fuel standards etc), doesn't hold much water. Nor does it mean much when public comments are factored in from some of their MPs.

As for the deficit, saying it would be even higher misses my point entirely. I was not questioning the issue of having one; it's a major economic downturn. It's the fact that during the election they didn't think we would have one, and then underestimated it by 105 billion dollars, if not more. The deficit is not the conservative's fault, but the inability to predict or judge the size speaks to gross incompetence in financial management.

[No_hite_pls]

Freethought your posts make a lot of sense especially about crime. I hate when conservatives drum up fear about crime to get elected. It happens in the states too.
Building of more prisons is a waste of tax payer dollars IMO.

When I can vote in Canada, I will vote Liberal.

[Captain Corea]

[freethought]

[mises]

[freethought]

[mises]

That's Canada. He's from Alberta (well, he's seen as being from Alberta). This means urban voters in BC and Ont won't like him. He's an Anglo, a conservative and doesn't get wet between the legs about "the arts" so byebye Quebec. Iggy would find support in Vancouver, Toronto and similar. Given everything, I don't think he could do much better than his numbers now.

The Cons, should they win a majority, will have the Liberal's Dion/Iggy picks to thank. Anyways, if the Liberals are smart (big IF) then they'll shut the hell up about an election now and patiently wait for the next leg down in this global depression. Unemployment will rise, the Canadian housing bubble (which has managed to reflate) will pop etc. Then he can be defeated. Not until then. He might win a majority if they take the gov down now. But that might be best anyways. When the next leg down comes, and it will come, a strong government will be needed to push through some structural reforms without having to kneel in front of Taliban Jack and the Bloc.

[mises]

Just watched the video. He did well.

[Kimbop]

Ignatieff's "Obama" factor is imploding in the face of reality:

[Captain Corea]

[Kimbop]

And this is why he's popular:

[No_hite_pls]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[BoholDiver]

I would vote Harper for sure.

He's far from perfect, but I don't trust Iggy as far as I can throw him.