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ashland
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 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
totally wrong! |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
Well, statistically speaking, I wonder if something can be made of the fact that he knew these 30 Koreans. Perhaps, the very fact that he knew these Koreans, would make it more likely that these Koreans were less into being a part of the Korean cliques. That alone would set them apart from many Koreans attending universities and colleges in the USA. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
totally wrong! |
Ok. Do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back your assertion? |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
If this was applied across the spectrum, that suggests the possibility of 2 things: 1) 100% of Koreans who enter Ivy leagues graduate or 2)those 30 are the exceptions that prove the rule (or statistic, if you will). Which seems more likely? Moreover, it takes no account of how those 30 students did. What was the GPA they graduated with? Any person can graduate but it means nothing if they scraped passes. |
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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
totally wrong! |
Ok. Do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back your assertion? |
i know it for a fact. i'm a graduate of troy high school in fullerton, california. many of my friends went to those impressive academic institutions in the nation such as caltech, mit, harvard, princeton, yale, stanford, etc.. and they really excelled in those preeminent universities because they were trained in troy. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet that is not a fact refuting the statistics in question. That's personal experience. And I am not doubting you at all - it just does nothing to refute these statistics. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| I'm starting to see a pattern here with ashland's posts. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
totally wrong! |
Ok. Do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back your assertion? |
i know it for a fact. i'm a graduate of troy high school in fullerton, california. many of my friends went to those impressive academic institutions in the nation such as caltech, mit, harvard, princeton, yale, stanford, etc.. and they really excelled in those preeminent universities because they were trained in troy. |
So, your Korean friends graduated from an American high school before going to the Ivy League schools. However, I strongly suspect that this is not the case for most Koreans who go to Ivy League schools. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| ashland wrote: |
| ryoga013 wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/10/12/2009101200929.html
It's been driving me crazy thinking about all the lack of upbringing found at the "university" level here in Korea. I read this article and I felt it didn't even do the topic close to justice. It only talks about how ill-prepared students are etc but never focuses on the root of those problems.
The one stat that stuck in my head was the only 56 percent graduated while the rest dropped out, Is anyone familiar with "Running Start" or other such programs where high schoolers may enroll in university classes for dual credit? that's about the same percentage of drop-outs. Just interesting, I wonder how closely they would correlate if put under a microscope. |
this is totally untrue... BS! |
If you think it is BS, then why not explain why you think it is BS instead of making inane comments? |
i knew about 30 koreans who attended ivy colleges. all of them graduated successfully. |
So the stats are wrong? |
totally wrong! |
Ok. Do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back your assertion? |
i know it for a fact. i'm a graduate of troy high school in fullerton, california. many of my friends went to those impressive academic institutions in the nation such as caltech, mit, harvard, princeton, yale, stanford, etc.. and they really excelled in those preeminent universities because they were trained in troy. |
Actually, in my experience that is the one mitigating factor for many international Asian students and even impoverished, inner-city students. The students who excel the best are trained at rigorous, college prepatory schools beforehand. Almost all of the Asian students that I met at elite institutions were all sent to high schools either in Japan (from Thailand) or the United States. You see an equivalent here with promising rural students being sent to Chuncheon for high school.
* however, there were plenty of mainland Asians that did fine, especially in the quantitative and technical aspects of their degree, which is their comparative advantage. |
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T-dot
Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: |
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1.Male students often return to fulfill their military service. So, they might leave after year 1 or 2.
One of my students is enjoying his time in the US, but he will return to Korea next year to fulfill his military service. Many things can happen during his service.
2. Money. Not many schools in the States are need blind for internationals. 50 grand a year US is a lot of burden for some of the parents to endure. This doesnt even factor in the extra $$ itll take to get through grad school. |
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ryoga013
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Korean Students Struggle at Ivy League Colleges |
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| ashland wrote: |
| ...i know it for a fact. i'm a graduate of troy high school in fullerton, california. many of my friends went to those impressive academic institutions in the nation such as caltech, mit, harvard, princeton, yale, stanford, etc.. and they really excelled in those preeminent universities because they were trained in troy. |
Were they Korean American or Korean? If these 30 people were Americans with Korean parents pushing them, but they went through the American education system, then these stats wouldn't apply to the students you are referring to. Also, this article was written by Koreans, not by me. you may have to ask them for their figures, as some of them have already been shown false by other users in this post... |
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