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Hijynx



Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Racist hiring practices... Reply with quote

I have worked in the same hagwon for 3 years now and haven't had many complaints. The staff is friendly and committed, and the director is generally a nice guy.

However, there have been a couple instances there that have disturbed me greatly. The first, was when one of the teachers, who was a gyopo, got pregnant outside of marriage and they fired her. Their official line was: "it's not good for the baby if she continues to work." I read them the riot act, but was assured every step along the way that it is a cultural difference and I just couldn't understand.

Today, an American teacher who is qualified (has taught in Korea for over 2 years) and is a hard-working and dedicated teacher, was told she could no longer work at the school because she doesn't look western enough. She is of Korean heritage, but is 100% American. They would rather pay the 800,000 Won recruitment fee for a new, unqualified, *white* teacher than keep on someone who isn't a fit advertisement for their foreign teacher population. When I confronted them about it, they said that perhaps something could be worked out. By worked out, they meant that if she were willing to accept a lesser contract (less pay and benefits), they would keep her on. They said she is a great teacher, but there are "other considerations." Basically, it is a HUGE problem for them that she looks Korean, but if they can pay her less that problem magically disappears?
This stuff makes me sick to my stomach. I am under contract there for quite a while longer but am seriously considering telling them to find a new teacher...

Anyone else run into crap like this? I'm not really sure what to do about it, but I feel that inaction on my part is equal to saying it's okay.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea isn't up to par when it comes to concepts of race. Some of them even seem to think one's physical features dictate which language one speaks. My one year at Yonsei gave me plenty of examples.

Once, LG representatives came to the international dorm at Yonsei because they wanted to hire native speakers of various languages test out their voice-activiated GPS navigation system or something. It was an easy gig and they pretty damn well. But they only hired people who "looked" like they were from the country they said they're from. They wouldn't hire this Korean-French girl even though she spoke fluent French but not a lick of Korean. Other than her physical features, she's 100% French. But noooo, its not possible that a non-white person would speak a "White" language fluently. They also wouldn't hire my visibly hispanic looking Mexican American friend for the Spanish portion of the testing. But they did hire South American woman who lied about being from Spain. They checked her ID and her home town happened to have the same name as a city in Spain.

Another time a Korean lady came to the dorm looking for a Spanish tutor but would not hire my Mexican American friend. According to him, she straight up told him that he probably doesn't speak "real" Spanish.
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proustme



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
Location: Nowon-gu

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disgusting. But from the many stories on this board, it's not surprising.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic has been broached many a-times already.

A portion of Koreans are xynophobic, racist and have dispicable labour practices.

We can move on now.
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proustme



Joined: 13 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write up a piece for a Korean English newspaper. This crap needs to be published.
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The backwardness of the Korean mind does not surprise me at all.

The 'hermit kingdom' indeed.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane wrote:
This topic has been broached many a-times already.

A portion of Koreans are xynophobic, racist and have dispicable labour practices.

We can move on now.


But the irony is that the racism is so deep-rooted that they are even racist to themselves Laughing
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe there needs to be a "Misuda" type show with gyopos speaking fluent English...
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluelake wrote:
Maybe there needs to be a "Misuda" type show with gyopos speaking fluent English...


Or Asians (eg. Chinese-Americans, Japanese-Americans, Canadians, etc) in general.

Hijinx. They`ll get theirs in the end. Giving up two perfectly capable teachers and hoping for a better teacher coming straight out of college. Happened at my old hagwon. Got rid of a hardworking gyopo gal who took all their crap and did so much extras without complaint. Changed all the foreign staff (going for an all Caucasian flavour) and there were already complaints coming in as my time ended.
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zai



Joined: 07 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been on the end of the sh*t stick myself.

I've been looking for a job for the past 2 months. I have had over 2 years of teaching experience here with hagwons. I have had numerous good reviews from student surveys and parents.

However, I decided I needed a change and went to look for jobs with public schools or after school programs. I have found a couple willing to hire me, but the pay was crap.

I was constantly told by recruiters that schools were looking for "foreigners" or "native speakers". When I told them that I was born in the United States and barely understand any Korean, I got the typical commentary that they want someone who looks white. One recruiter, when I asked him why schools are racist, told me that "Koreans are not racist, business here is."

My girlfriend, who is white - blonde hair, blue eyes, has no problem getting job offers. She will even ask the Koreans at her school what's up with the Korean American bias. And all they do is shrug and mumble about "oh, its one of the problems in Korea." Lately, I've even taken to the label "gyopo" as a racist slur. I am really sick and tired of all this.

What's funny also is that most of the time, Koreans don't look at me as Korean, they usually think I'm Chinese or Japanese (which I suppose doesn't help my case). I came to Korea to teach English and also to learn a bit about my parent's culture.

Looks like I'm going back to my old hagwon.

SIGH.

This is the paradoxical nature of Korea. This is also why I feel like, the more they progress economically, the more deeper their cultural/global integration issues will run.
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mongolian spot



Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zai wrote:
I have been on the end of the sh*t stick myself.

I've been looking for a job for the past 2 months. I have had over 2 years of teaching experience here with hagwons. I have had numerous good reviews from student surveys and parents.

However, I decided I needed a change and went to look for jobs with public schools or after school programs. I have found a couple willing to hire me, but the pay was crap.

I was constantly told by recruiters that schools were looking for "foreigners" or "native speakers". When I told them that I was born in the United States and barely understand any Korean, I got the typical commentary that they want someone who looks white. One recruiter, when I asked him why schools are racist, told me that "Koreans are not racist, business here is."

My girlfriend, who is white - blonde hair, blue eyes, has no problem getting job offers. She will even ask the Koreans at her school what's up with the Korean American bias. And all they do is shrug and mumble about "oh, its one of the problems in Korea." Lately, I've even taken to the label "gyopo" as a racist slur. I am really sick and tired of all this.

What's funny also is that most of the time, Koreans don't look at me as Korean, they usually think I'm Chinese or Japanese (which I suppose doesn't help my case). I came to Korea to teach English and also to learn a bit about my parent's culture.

Looks like I'm going back to my old hagwon.

SIGH.

This is the paradoxical nature of Korea. This is also why I feel like, the more they progress economically, the more deeper their cultural/global integration issues will run.


Actually i quite like the honesty of the recruiter

'korea is not racist, business is' kinda rings true.

I asked my adult students if they would prefer my white handsome ass to teach them over a korean american or a black one. 100% wanted a white native teacher, because it just feels better to them. Hell, they would even have the blacks over a korean american!

I thought about this and can honestly say this. If i was learning french at a hagwan back home i would much prefer jean reno or vanessa paradis to teach me over a british born french person.

just my 2 pennys
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youtuber



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Racist hiring practices... Reply with quote

Hijynx wrote:
I have worked in the same hagwon for 3 years now and haven't had many complaints. The staff is friendly and committed, and the director is generally a nice guy.

However, there have been a couple instances there that have disturbed me greatly. The first, was when one of the teachers, who was a gyopo, got pregnant outside of marriage and they fired her. Their official line was: "it's not good for the baby if she continues to work." I read them the riot act, but was assured every step along the way that it is a cultural difference and I just couldn't understand.

Today, an American teacher who is qualified (has taught in Korea for over 2 years) and is a hard-working and dedicated teacher, was told she could no longer work at the school because she doesn't look western enough. She is of Korean heritage, but is 100% American. They would rather pay the 800,000 Won recruitment fee for a new, unqualified, *white* teacher than keep on someone who isn't a fit advertisement for their foreign teacher population. When I confronted them about it, they said that perhaps something could be worked out. By worked out, they meant that if she were willing to accept a lesser contract (less pay and benefits), they would keep her on. They said she is a great teacher, but there are "other considerations." Basically, it is a HUGE problem for them that she looks Korean, but if they can pay her less that problem magically disappears?
This stuff makes me sick to my stomach. I am under contract there for quite a while longer but am seriously considering telling them to find a new teacher...

Anyone else run into crap like this? I'm not really sure what to do about it, but I feel that inaction on my part is equal to saying it's okay.



ESL teaching in Asia is a white man's game. Didn't you clue in when 99% of the jobs require you to send a picture in with your application?

Japan is the same.

ESL in Asia has everything to do with marketing and very little to do with your actual skills.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mongolian spot wrote:
Actually i quite like the honesty of the recruiter

'korea is not racist, business is' kinda rings true.

I asked my adult students if they would prefer my white handsome ass to teach them over a korean american or a black one. 100% wanted a white native teacher, because it just feels better to them. Hell, they would even have the blacks over a korean american!

I thought about this and can honestly say this. If i was learning french at a hagwan back home i would much prefer jean reno or vanessa paradis to teach me over a british born french person.

just my 2 pennys


Yeah, I'd rather have Vanessa Paradis teach me too. In French or Korean or Klingon. Although British-French sounds intriguing- All the old stuffiness of British aristocratic accents blended with French contempt would surely cause some kind of linguistic black-hole to form and rupture space. Imagine if a dose of Korean 'Han' was thrown in there as well...

Kinda have to agree with you on this one. If my Mandarin/Arabic/Hindi tutor had blond hair and blue eyes I'd be skeptical.

Yeah, at some level you want to learn from someone who looks the part.

I think I've lucked out though, all my students and co-workers seem to understand that YES, I am a perfect English speaker. I think its because I'm very good at 'voices' and don't 'act' Korean at all.

You also have to sell yourself on your resumes. If you have that attitude of "Hey I'm just as good as Harcourt Fluffington over there" then you're going to lose. Instead, emphasize your unique strengths. What do you bring to the table with an 'Asian face'?- Quite simply you're a living example of fluency. The students see it in you, they can believe it's possible for themselves. It inspires a certain confidence in the learner. Also, if you are bi-lingual/bi-cultural you are also able to understand, through experience, the problem areas and difficulties that students may face.

It's all marketing. If non-Asians can be respected TKD/JiuJitsu/Karate instructors then Asians can be English tutors. It just takes good marketing.

Also, wasn't there some other thread that said the Ks were trying to can a bunch of foreign ESL teachers and replace them with Koreans? Around & Around it goes...Hopefully on a Carousel and not in the toilet bowl.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

It's all marketing. If non-Asians can be respected TKD/JiuJitsu/Karate instructors then Asians can be English tutors. It just takes good marketing.


OK, martial arts are whatever, but can non-Asians be respected teachers of Asian languages? I don't have Asian features but I'm totally fluent in Mandarin and was considering going for a PhD in Chinese so I could be a professor of the language. My TA told me it was a bad idea because after graduating, when I applied for jobs, universities would see my (non-Chinese) surname and throw my resume in the trash. Because a non-Asian person couldn't possibly speak Chinese as well as a Chinese person, right?

Granted it's a little different because there aren't that many foreign immigrants growing up in most Asian countries and going through their educational system, and non-Asians who speak Asian languages fluently are still very rare, but the concept is similar.


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Triban



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop tryna hold the white mang down.
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