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wings
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 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: cost of chiropractor |
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If anyone has been to the Itaewon Chiropractic Center (or another chiropractic center in Seoul) and could let me know what to expect cost wise that would be fab.
Thanks! |
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lohengrin
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
Location: Loompaland
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| about 50 000W per treatment |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| My guy charges me 20 000. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| My guy charges me 20 000. |
I am a real chiropractor- that means I spent 5 years just studying Chiropractic. Two years of that was in school clinic seeing a lot of patients before graduation. Before Chiro school I studied sciences for 3 years. So I spent 8 years in sciences ( 5 chiro) and 3 in arts= 11 years.
For 20 bucks you get some Korean guy who has done a weekend course in manipulation and understands the superficial aspects only. Koreans are great at having the nice clinic and all the basic manipulation techniques mastered to the degree to fool patients. They have no idea what they are doing.
So here is the question to ask all Korean and non- Korean Chiropractors. Where did you study chiropractic and can you show me your degree?
They will need to say a western country because Korea has no schools. So the degree 99% of the time will come from Australia or the states.
The 20 buck guys will have another degree like medicine or traditional medicine or none at all. Even if someone is a medical Dr they dont know much about the spine. They learn manipulation which is not Chiro.
Thats why a few Korean Drs go to other countries to study Chiro on top of their original degree. They are the only real ones.
Itaewon has real chiropractors and that's why it is 55 bucks. No I am not one of the chiros at the Itaewon clinic. I just tell you this to protect you from scamming Korean's who don't honour quality care. It takes along time to learn the spine and how to adjust it.
The Korean govererment keeps real Chiros out to protect the old Korean bonesetters who are light years behind the times. A few Gyopos and Koreans travel overseas to do the real course.
Please find one of them. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| Fixed me up just great. I'll save the 30 000 won and the hour and a half trip to Iteawon and go to the spot next to my apartment. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| Fixed me up just great. I'll save the 30 000 won and the hour and a half trip to Iteawon and go to the spot next to my apartment. |
As I said it is easy for them to fool customers who don't know the difference from being fixed to having their health improved. I think "fixed" is something that happens at the vet.
If you want superficial results like your pain going away before the problem is really resolved stick with the fake guy. Better yet just take some pain killers and drive the symptoms away. I am talking to a wall so I will shut up soon. Last thing I will say is health has very little to do with your symptoms going away. When you see a real chiro so many other aspects of your life improve.
Your notion of fixed is just like some Korean parent watching an esl class and going they teachie real well. In other words you went for a quick fix rather than setting yourself up for long term benefits. Your symptoms will keep manifesting until you get clear enough to make the chnges in your life. Real chiropractic gives you the clearity to make those changes. |
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tatu
Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| I just had am mri done and diagnosed with a herniated disc between the 4 th and 5th in the lumbar. Do you know if chiropractic is a useful avenue to help me? |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| tatu wrote: |
| I just had am mri done and diagnosed with a herniated disc between the 4 th and 5th in the lumbar. Do you know if chiropractic is a useful avenue to help me? |
I know of some great chiros for this but they are not in Korea. One is in Beijing and the price is small. I can't speak for the Korean chiropractors because I don't go to them. I only give advice about chiros I have met.
I can tell you one new theory. It goes like this : you have a central nervous system and if your spinal cord is under too much tension a disc will blow out to take pressure off. So the theory is it is a good thing for a disc to blow out because it protects your central nervous system.
If you can find a technique like SOT, Network, Upper cervical ( chiro techniques) you can in theory take pressure off your spinal cord and the disc will then go back.
Other things you can do is look at your life and see what stresses would cause you to be in so much tension ( it takes lots of tension to blow a disc)
Write down your chemical, physical, emotional stressors and try to reduce them. You need life changes and probably more rest. I don't know you so it's hard to say the trigger.
The chiros I like can't practice in Korea so I can't directly refer you to one sorry. If you are travelling out of Korea pm me and I will do my best to find someone where you are visiting.
Remember the disc is not the cause of the problem... it is the result so the cause must be eliminated. The cause is some type of way you are stressing your body. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| If you want superficial results like your pain going away before the problem is really resolved stick with the fake guy. Better yet just take some pain killers and drive the symptoms away. I am talking to a wall so I will shut up soon. Last thing I will say is health has very little to do with your symptoms going away. When you see a real chiro so many other aspects of your life improve |
You sound angry man. Honestly though, I find it hard to fuly accept the fact that one has to go to a western country to learn how to master Asian medicine. For years chriropracy has been discredited in the west and only recently has it been sccepted. You sir seem to guilty of the same type of fallacy that has been the plague of modern medicine: If it is not recognised by our cartel, then it is evil and must be supressed.
I'm a healthy fit guy who has worked some very demanding jobs over the years. I often have some tighness in my lower back and have had chronic shoulder pain due to a torn rotator cuff not being diagnosed after being in a car accident. I went to a guy a couple of weeks ago who is a member of some kind of Korean Chiropractic Association and told him of my symptoms.
He did a great job and I feel fine, yet you jump all over me because of my choice of vocabulary? I honestly don't know the difference between your elite schools and his. I do know that he did a fine job on me and I feel great as a result. In the end results are what matter.
And I saved 30 000 won. Which is cool too |
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ProsePech
Joined: 24 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: Chiro in Itaewon |
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the Chiropractic clinic in Itaewon in the same building as the International Clinic, across from RMT is owned by an American Chiropractor Dr. Phil Yoo. He has two other Dr.'s running the place at the moment: Dr. Sean Kim who is American born and raised and did his Chiropractic in California I think and a new guy Dr. William Choi who speaks really good English but I'm not sure where he was born.
Price: $36 for a normal adjustment, $40 if paying by cc which is comparable to what I was paying in Canada at my chiro there.
The clinic is on the first floor, walk straight ahead past the elevators.
This location also might be moving because the landlord of the building wants to raise their rent.
I've been going there since 2005 |
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armatis
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Sean went to school in Portland, Oregon (I went to school with him). I am also a chiro here, but am kind of on sabbatical also, haha. I did vacation relief in Phil's clinic a few times, and occasionally do home "consultations" for patients here. Chiropractic is a great first line of treatment, and is the first thing you should try before a surgery.
What a chiro would do is basically use adjustments, certain postures, and exercises to open where the nerve root comes out, allowing it to "breathe" while the disc is healing, or being reabsorbed by the body.
As far as needing chiros who do specific chiropractic techniques, I have to disagree. I just use plain old Diversified and Cox techniques (which are taught at almost every chiro college), and I have had tremendous success with all of my prior disc patients.
Good luck,
Michael Armatis, DC |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
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| If you want superficial results like your pain going away before the problem is really resolved stick with the fake guy. Better yet just take some pain killers and drive the symptoms away. I am talking to a wall so I will shut up soon. Last thing I will say is health has very little to do with your symptoms going away. When you see a real chiro so many other aspects of your life improve |
You sound angry man. Honestly though, I find it hard to fuly accept the fact that one has to go to a western country to learn how to master Asian medicine. For years chriropracy has been discredited in the west and only recently has it been sccepted. You sir seem to guilty of the same type of fallacy that has been the plague of modern medicine: If it is not recognised by our cartel, then it is evil and must be supressed.
I'm a healthy fit guy who has worked some very demanding jobs over the years. I often have some tighness in my lower back and have had chronic shoulder pain due to a torn rotator cuff not being diagnosed after being in a car accident. I went to a guy a couple of weeks ago who is a member of some kind of Korean Chiropractic Association and told him of my symptoms.
He did a great job and I feel fine, yet you jump all over me because of my choice of vocabulary? I honestly don't know the difference between your elite schools and his. I do know that he did a fine job on me and I feel great as a result. In the end results are what matter.
And I saved 30 000 won. Which is cool too |
Chiropractic is not an Asian medical practice. It was developed in America. I don't want to supress anyone. I just care enough to tell you that some of these asian med guys don't train very long and just learn how to crack bones and make a sound which impreses many patients. This is a large subject that can't be explained in a few threads. There is reason to use profesionals rather than saving a few bucks. I am in China now and can buy a fake iphone for 100 bucks. I guess you would say they look similar so buy the fake one and save 500 bucks.
There is so much more to be gained from chiropractic adjustments than your pain going away. Manipulation is not chiro as a fake iphone is not a apple product. There is a reason some people seek quality products and services and then there is guys like you. Anyhow if it keeps you happy. Ignorance is bliss my friend. |
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