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If Korea wanted to get serious about creating jobs. . .

 
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FredDaSked



Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: If Korea wanted to get serious about creating jobs. . . Reply with quote

1. I'd see some freakin' baggers in the big grocery stores.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Having to do all the packing myself really slows down the checkout process for everyone, since I'm not good at it and the bags are the plastic fight-with kind. I'm not encouraged to stay and shop for tons of things because of this. And, since there seems to be just one business model followed wherever I want to take myself, it's easy to anticipate that this is a country-wide phenomenon.

Also, while I'm at it, they might invest in some service-with-a-smile training consultants for the cashiers (and one sample lady in the bakery section of the E-mart where I go). As it is, the position of store personnel doesn't seem to be promoting itself to job seekers, especially to those with that precious training in the English language. Nobody where I shop speaks a word beyond 'bag peelyohasayo?' (Now, that's just a comment, not a judgement).

2. There would be such a thing in my public school as a janitorial department.

There are a lot of dirty floors that have been for a long time. There's a sink in the boys' bathroom that's been half-filled with black water for at least two weeks. It's supposed to be my duty to sweep and mop my classroom floor every Friday at the end of the day. Not a problem, but things like these contribute to inefficiency, and, at least in my case, I can't give the floor the stripping and waxing it cries out for.

3. Construction sites would employ more than just a handful of workers to put up the buildings underway on every spare empty lot. Minor buildings such as the villas on my street don't have to take the months they take. The process seems efficient, but the field is ripe for more labor.

4. Trash collection might be more diligent than it is, with a more centralized system in place. I haven't seen anything that even looks like a local, regional or national system of truck-based collection. Instead, the system seems beholden to private firms or even simply enterprising individuals that come around sporadically, and I see a lot of bags just hanging around the lampposts waiting to get picked up.

These couple things are just examples of where work--and a larger customer base, in some cases; a more satisfied clientele in others (such as public schools)--could be created. I'm sure there are more.

On the other hand, they've got a lot of dancing traffic directors here. That's gotta be worth something. Wink
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litebear



Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, never, and I mean ever, visit or live in Scotland. You would have a heart attack if your pet peves include poor customer service and ineffcient working practices.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: If Korea wanted to get serious about creating jobs. . . Reply with quote

FredDaSked wrote:
1. I'd see some freakin' baggers in the big grocery stores.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Having to do all the packing myself really slows down the checkout process for everyone, since I'm not good at it and the bags are the plastic fight-with kind. I'm not encouraged to stay and shop for tons of things because of this. And, since there seems to be just one business model followed wherever I want to take myself, it's easy to anticipate that this is a country-wide phenomenon.

Also, while I'm at it, they might invest in some service-with-a-smile training consultants for the cashiers (and one sample lady in the bakery section of the E-mart where I go). As it is, the position of store personnel doesn't seem to be promoting itself to job seekers, especially to those with that precious training in the English language. Nobody where I shop speaks a word beyond 'bag peelyohasayo?' (Now, that's just a comment, not a judgement).


Man, they don't even ask me if I want a bag. I walk to the end of the line, look down at the pile of my purchased items, look back up at the ajumma, look back down, look up at her again, and finally i have to say "pongtu juseyo." Confused

Also, I already thought most Koreans' jobs were pretty trivial "service industry" stuff--like bowing to you when you walk in the door of the office building, or selling boiled silkworm larvae in the park. Also, have you ever looked in the kitchen of a burger restaurant in Korea? They have like ten people back there making the burgers! At my local Kraze burger, one guy's entire job is just to put the burger buns in the toaster.

I think enough Koreans are already employed in jobs where they do basically nothing; what they need to improve their employment situation is more entrepreneurism (not restaurants or ddeokbokki stands).
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If restaurants and ddeokbboki (sp?) make money for the entrepreneurs, all the power to them I say!

As for supermarket grocery baggers, go to a high end supermarket if that's what you want. Hyundai Dept. Store has a cashier and a bagger at every register who'll smile while putting everything in the bag and even tie the little flaps together at the top of the bag. Now that's service!
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ekul



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: If Korea wanted to get serious about creating jobs. . . Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
Man, they don't even ask me if I want a bag. I walk to the end of the line, look down at the pile of my purchased items, look back up at the ajumma, look back down, look up at her again, and finally i have to say "pongtu juseyo." Confused


Mostly because the bags cost and most people reuse old ones.

All of your suggestions for improving the labour market fall flat because none of them would result in more profit which is the aim of the game.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: If Korea wanted to get serious about creating jobs. . . Reply with quote

[quote="ekul"]
redaxe wrote:


Mostly because the bags cost and most people reuse old ones.


Or they use $1.00 worth of packing tape to wrap everything up in a banana box.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my area there is a great system for creating jobs. Build poor quality, shabby sidewalks. Three years later rip them up as they are falling apart and build new poor quality, shabby sidewalks. Three years later...
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only problem is that many of those jobs pay less than most Koreans will expect. They'd rather not work. Same in other countries.
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sqrlnutz123



Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest buying one of those reusable bags that has a flat base. They are very easy to bag. Also as a former cashier, I am in full support of not being forced to smile or bagging people's groceries.
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Department stores that charge 200 bucks for a pair of jeans, then make you buy a bag to carry them in. Shocked
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scotty12347



Joined: 16 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sqrlnutz123 wrote:
I would suggest buying one of those reusable bags that has a flat base. They are very easy to bag. Also as a former cashier, I am in full support of not being forced to smile or bagging people's groceries.


I used to work at a supermarket part time, bagging was annoying, but surely a smile wasnt too much hard work? Wouldnt you rather be greeted with a smile, even if its fake, than some miserable cashier??
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sqrlnutz123



Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scotty12347 wrote:
sqrlnutz123 wrote:
I would suggest buying one of those reusable bags that has a flat base. They are very easy to bag. Also as a former cashier, I am in full support of not being forced to smile or bagging people's groceries.


I used to work at a supermarket part time, bagging was annoying, but surely a smile wasnt too much hard work? Wouldnt you rather be greeted with a smile, even if its fake, than some miserable cashier??


No, fake smiles annoy me. Further, I like to shop in peace without the hyper-vigilant friendly brigade following me around asking, "Can I help you find something?" or "Is there something I can do for you?" Maybe I'm a bad American, but I'd rather just be left alone. Maybe its because I know it's all an act anyway. They don't really care how my day is going, they don't really want to help me find someting, they aren't really happy to see me choose their checkout line. So why bother with the charade? I'm not saying I like people to be rude to me, but they don't have to pretend they're enjoying themselves for my benefit.
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scotty12347



Joined: 16 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sqrlnutz123 wrote:
scotty12347 wrote:
sqrlnutz123 wrote:
I would suggest buying one of those reusable bags that has a flat base. They are very easy to bag. Also as a former cashier, I am in full support of not being forced to smile or bagging people's groceries.


I used to work at a supermarket part time, bagging was annoying, but surely a smile wasnt too much hard work? Wouldnt you rather be greeted with a smile, even if its fake, than some miserable cashier??


No, fake smiles annoy me. Further, I like to shop in peace without the hyper-vigilant friendly brigade following me around asking, "Can I help you find something?" or "Is there something I can do for you?" Maybe I'm a bad American, but I'd rather just be left alone. Maybe its because I know it's all an act anyway. They don't really care how my day is going, they don't really want to help me find someting, they aren't really happy to see me choose their checkout line. So why bother with the charade? I'm not saying I like people to be rude to me, but they don't have to pretend they're enjoying themselves for my benefit.


Luckily in the UK we dont get the pestering that you describe, that would be very annoying but if i dont get a smile with my service i usually walk away thinking to myself what a miseberable bas****.

Each to their own i suppose.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Electron cloud

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2. There would be such a thing in my public school as a janitorial department.

There are a lot of dirty floors that have been for a long time. There's a sink in the boys' bathroom that's been half-filled with black water for at least two weeks. It's supposed to be my duty to sweep and mop my classroom floor every Friday at the end of the day. Not a problem, but things like these contribute to inefficiency, and, at least in my case, I can't give the floor the stripping and waxing it cries out for.


This is the same in every or most Public schools in Korea.

you are wrong though. There is a janitor. However he mostly does bugger all work and spends ost of his time in his office drinking soju and smoking and watching tv.

Seriously. Go to the Janitor's office and I'll wager the walls are yellow with nicotine.

Our shiljangnim staggers around drunk and reaking of Soju every day and no one bats an eyelid.... He has to be asked at least 3 times to do something by staff before he'll even be aware someone asked him to do something...

Lol...
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has no problem creating millions of unecessary jobs to keep the people happy.

Largest sector of this is the bloated construction industry- a hangover from the Park Chung Hee era that is politically powerful and determined to keep themselves in work by various political means.

30 years ago they were essential to the country's growth. Now they're excess baggage engaging in massive and environmentally destructive make-work projects. When you see every stream and river concrete paved along its banks, public schools erected and then torn down again months later for lack of students, etc then you can appreciate what a needless waste of government money is going on.
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