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Do you trust vaccines? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: Vaccines and Anti-vaccinationists |
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How worried should we be about vaccines? Do they cause autism? Should we vaccinate our children?
I feel that there is a lot of misinformation out there on vaccines that the science simply doesn't support. Of course there are risks in taking any medicine including aspirin, paracetamol and antihistamines. The anti-vaccine movement has offered little to nothing in terms of evidence, yet they enjoy screen time on Larry King and Oprah dishing out anecdote after anecdote.
I know the hardened anti-vaccinationist will always stand by their claims. It worries me more when people I know tell me they aren't going to vaccinate their child because of something they saw on Oprah. I'm all for choice, but more for informed choice.
We are now seeing a return of diseases such as Polio and Measles due to such misinformation, possibly leading to loss of life.
I know the sites I now site are from skeptic sites but you can follow the citations if you wish.
http://www.skepdic.com/antivaccination.html
On Swine Flu
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-09-23#feature
Here's a little back ground on anti vaccine movements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy
I've limited the poll to yes or no. Perhaps you feel you can trust some vaccines and not others. Please feel free to explain your choice. |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Couldn't agree more. For some reason I find myself watching Bill Maher every week even though I don't really like him. His last two episodes baffled me. Here's a guy who makes a huge deal about being a skeptic and mocking religions, but he fully supports alternative medicine and is convinced that h1n1 vaccines are dangerous.
One of these days, Homeopathy will be the only commonly practiced medicine, and I'll be bitterly lmao. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I do for the most part, but I really don't like the idea of injecting something into your body that hasn't been studied over a long period of time (H1N1, Gardasil etc). |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Maher shouldn't have been given the Richard Dawkins Award.
Many vaccines can't be tested over a long period of time, since that would make them ineffective. This would include the flu shot which has to be changed every year. Although it may be better to say tweak rather than change, as it is using existing vaccine methods. |
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Aelric
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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One thing I'll never understand about Libertarians and other groups is the associating that if the government distributes vaccines, they must not medically work. Just a few years ago, nobody was anti-vac about things like polio and other standards. We got our shots and those that had kids gave them their shots. Only crazy cultists out in the forest drinking dogpiss didn't do it. Now various politicians pushing against government in anything, in a ridiculous display of political absolutism, have been building an army of idiots ready to froth up their retard strength and quite frankly, I really am scared of them.
I mean, when did science become the enemy? When did medical advances long established as effective turn into something to fight a crusade against? Seriously, we are evolving backwards. The movie Idiocrasy was a grim prediction and we are all truly doomed. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: |
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I was vaccinated with the usual "battery" in the 70's as a young child, but have only been vaccinated once in the last 25 years. That one time I decided to get vaccinated was at work and they were giving free influenza vaccines. I destroyed me for 2 weeks. I never really became sick during the long New England winters for all that time.
I don't necessarily disagree with vaccinations, but some people are better off without them. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Vaccinations are proven science that have worked wonders for our society. Anyone questioning them needs to present hard evidence that they do more harm than good. So far, I've never seen such a thing.
People trying to link things like perceived increases in Autism to vaccinations are being especially ridiculous. It's almost assuredly the case that Autism hasn't increased at all, but rather we're simply diagnosing it more often due to advances in the field. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Vaccines has advantages and disadvantages. I know one chinese boy who got polio from vaccination. For him the vaccination was the worst thing that has happened to him, but he just had bad luck. The overall advantages by far outshades the disadvantages, but I would prefer my kids to have the polio vaccine we use in the west which has much less chance of messing up than the one they use in China. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: |
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UknowsI wrote: |
Vaccines has advantages and disadvantages. I know one chinese boy who got polio from vaccination. For him the vaccination was the worst thing that has happened to him, but he just had bad luck. The overall advantages by far outshades the disadvantages, but I would prefer my kids to have the polio vaccine we use in the west which has much less chance of messing up than the one they use in China. |
I think it's unfair to consider that kid an example of a disadvantage of vaccines. What you need to consider is how many people would have Polio in a vaccinated population vs how many would have it in a non-vaccinated population. Unless other side effects of vaccines can be proven, that's really the only thing that matters in such a consideration. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
I think it's unfair to consider that kid an example of a disadvantage of vaccines. What you need to consider is how many people would have Polio in a vaccinated population vs how many would have it in a non-vaccinated population. Unless other side effects of vaccines can be proven, that's really the only thing that matters in such a consideration. |
Are you saying that it's not a disadvantage that 1 out of 750.000 who get the polio vaccine become paralyzed? What shall I call it then? An advantage? Of course the number is quite small so it's a calculated risk worth taking (in my opinion at least)
On a side note, either the number is way larger for the Chinese version of the vaccine or the boy I know was very very unlucky. I think it's a combination of both. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: |
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UknowsI wrote: |
Fox wrote: |
I think it's unfair to consider that kid an example of a disadvantage of vaccines. What you need to consider is how many people would have Polio in a vaccinated population vs how many would have it in a non-vaccinated population. Unless other side effects of vaccines can be proven, that's really the only thing that matters in such a consideration. |
Are you saying that it's not a disadvantage that 1 out of 750.000 who get the polio vaccine become paralyzed? What shall I call it then? An advantage? |
I'm saying 1 out of 750,000 people in a vaccinated population becomes paralyzed, and more than 1 out of 750,000 people in a non-vaccinated population becomes paralyzed, then yes, it's an advantage, because it's reduced total paralyzations in the population. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
I'm saying 1 out of 750,000 people in a vaccinated population becomes paralyzed, and more than 1 out of 750,000 people in a non-vaccinated population becomes paralyzed, then yes, it's an advantage, because it's reduced total paralyzations in the population. |
I think we are just nitpicking because we obviously agree on the overall benefit. What I'm saying is that infections from the vaccine is a disadvantage and that a vaccine without this possible side effect would be better. And therefore I prefer the western polio vaccine since it has the same advantages as the Chinese but with less risk of side effects, which I would call disadvantages.
I also voted that I trust vaccines and I'm not against vaccinations at all. |
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