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scotty12347
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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if alcohol is legal i cant see why marijuana (sp?) and ecstasy shouldnt be either, both have been proven to be far safer vices than tobacco or alcohol, theres no addiction level to ecstasy, im not sure about pot on that?
If it was realistic for the government to make it legal and tax sales of it, it would still be "morally wrong" to the majority of people, who have been scaremongered into believing that all drugs are evil, yet smoking as much as you want and getting completely paraletic from alcohol is an almost expected recreational pastime.
I wonder how many posters on Daves would try ecstasy if it was legal?
To me, the more sensible option than just keeping alcohol and tobacco is to ban them all. |
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UrbanStyle
Joined: 23 Jul 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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because they are brought up not to see them that way. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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scotty12347 wrote: |
To me, the more sensible option than just keeping alcohol and tobacco is to ban them all. |
I'd be fine with that.
But yeah, like many here, I find the hypocrisy towards certain 'drugs' mystifying. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Between the 'Cigarettes should be banned' crowd and the 'Pot is just like Cigs' crowd and the 'Cigs, caffeine, and Tylenol are drugs' semantics crowd I think I need a drink.
Alcohol and Cigs and Caffeine and Tylenol aren't drugs. They're whatever. Pot's a drug. Crack is a drug.
No, Korea's problems would not be solved by everyone taking hits from the bong. That strategy hasn't exactly panned out in our trailer parks and ghettos. The more I get away from past lifestyle choices the more I realize the only stoners I can now stand are the ones who could care less if pot is legal or not.
As for the ban cigs crowd go over to the cig thread for my reasons on the illogic of this strain of thought.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=168401&start=15
I don't consider alcohol and caffeine and cigarettes drugs. I don't know why. There is no scientific basis for my reason. They just aren't. Pot and alcohol are not the same. I don't care if one causes more deaths than the other. Just accept that this the way humans the world over view drugs and other substances.
I like Korea because alcohol and cigs are normal things with the necessary warning labels attached. They are cheap too. I like how Korean people here know what drugs are and what a drugstore is and how they both fit the normal definition and no one plays silly semantic games in an attempt to push some sort of agenda.
And yes Pot should be legal in America, probably, but not in Korea. It just doesn't mash well. That's fine with me. Define self-absorbed 1st worlder- one who's big concern for human rights is their right to smoke a blunt before coming into work. |
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orosee

Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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^^^ Nice! |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's true, anti-smoking movements have dubious reasoning and don't carry much weight. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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1. You can make tons of tax money on booze and smokes
2. Workers can function using these drugs, well smokes at least
3. Lets get the same % of people in the world that smoke and drink to try switching to crack or lsd every day for just two weeks and sit in wonder as we watch the social collpase and disintergration of civilisation as we know it |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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1. You can make tax money off anything
2. Depends on the worker. Some need frequent smoke breaks depending on how heavy a smoker they are. The smell often alienates coworkers, could sour business deals, and if someone doesn't get their smoke, they suffer withdrawal which can create unpleasant working environments.
3. I don't think anyone suggested that. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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The point is mrcross, in case it wasn't obvious is that whilst booze and cigs are bad for health and addictive, they are the lesser of the other evils out there. And Koreans do know that they are drugs people. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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So why have the evil at all?
That's like saying curb stomping is okay because at least you didn't shoot him. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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crossmr wrote: |
So why have the evil at all?
That's like saying curb stomping is okay because at least you didn't shoot him. |
How prey tell would you stop people smoking and drinking? |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Drinking has at least been shown to have health benefits in relation to certain diseases. Smoking none. Someone who smokes stands out like a sore thumb. there is little they can do to hide it. Banning cigarettes outright would curb it to the fringes of society. You'd never stop it 100%, just like you can't stop anything 100%, but just because you can't doesn't mean you should allow its use. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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crossmr wrote: |
Drinking has at least been shown to have health benefits in relation to certain diseases. Smoking none. Someone who smokes stands out like a sore thumb. there is little they can do to hide it. Banning cigarettes outright would curb it to the fringes of society. You'd never stop it 100%, just like you can't stop anything 100%, but just because you can't doesn't mean you should allow its use. |
I'd agree that more should be done to ensure that as many non smokers and young non smokers as possible are discouraged never to do it.
But for those of us who are 30 yrs plus and have been doing it at least half of our lives, it's kind of unfair.
But sure if in a few generations in the future it was becoming a thing of the past it could be a good thing I guess. |
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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'd agree that more should be done to ensure that as many non smokers and young non smokers as possible are discouraged never to do it. |
Canadian laws on this are stupid. It is illegal for anyone to provide cigarettes to a minor, either through sale or giving it to them. However if a minor can somehow get their hands on them, they're allowed to smoke them. It shows the *beep*-footing around that governments do with this. If their true intention is to not have minors smoke, make it illegal. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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crossmr wrote: |
If their true intention is to not have minors smoke, make it illegal. |
I think the problem is: What kind of punishment do you receive for smoking underaged? Shouldn't said punishment be the parent's responsibility and not the government's? |
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