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mua'dib
Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Location: sweating pure pocari
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I bit off more than I can chew.... I feel like real conservatives aren't into fear mongering, confrontational, editorial misdirection. I feel like a real conservative understands the difference between fighting the good fight and behaving as if war were something to be used as entertainment. Did you ever notice how at the beginning of the (second) Iraq war it came with it's own graphics? Like it was the superbowl or something.
Fox news is reserved for people who can't tell the difference between important news and plain old sensationalism.
I didn't mean to offend anyone Fox, honestly I wouldn't even have posted that bit If I had thought your username and Avatar weren't ironic.
Be afraid, be very afraid. Next, pet stories!
Threat level orange! Orange! |
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mua'dib
Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Location: sweating pure pocari
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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bwahahahahahaha
true, true |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Zinn's take:
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I was dismayed when I heard Barack Obama was given the Nobel peace prize. A shock, really, to think that a president carrying on two wars would be given a peace prize. Until I recalled that Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Henry Kissinger had all received Nobel peace prizes. The Nobel committee is famous for its superficial estimates, won over by rhetoric and by empty gestures, and ignoring blatant violations of world peace.
Yes, Wilson gets credit for the League of Nations � that ineffectual body which did nothing to prevent war. But he had bombarded the Mexican coast, sent troops to occupy Haiti and the Dominican Republic and brought the US into the slaughterhouse of Europe in the first World War, surely among stupid and deadly wars at the top of the list.
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People should be given a peace prize not on the basis of promises they have made � as with Obama, an eloquent maker of promises � but on the basis of actual accomplishments towards ending war, and Obama has continued deadly, inhuman military action in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The Nobel peace committee should retire, and turn over its huge funds to some international peace organization which is not awed by stardom and rhetoric, and which has some understanding of history. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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October Surprise - Peace Prize to a War Criminal
Posted: 2009/10/12
From: Mathaba
The Nobel Committee's tradition is long and inglorious, but for the well-informed no surprise. Consider its past honorees:
-- Henry Kissinger;
-- Shimon Peres;
-- Yitzhak Rabin;
-- Menachem Begin;
-- FW de Klerk;
-- Al Gore;
-- The Dalai Lama, a covert CIA asset;
-- Kofi Annan, a reliable imperial war supporter;
-- UN Peacekeeping (Paramilitary) Forces that foster more conflicts than they resolve;
-- Elie Wiesel, a hawkish Islamophobe;
-- Norman Borlaug, whose "green revolution" wheat strains killed millions;
-- Medecins Sans Frontieres, co-founded by rabid war hawk Bernard Kouchner, now France's Minister of Foreign and European Affairs;
-- Woodrow Wilson who broke his pledge to keep "us out of war,"
-- Jimmy Carter who backed an array of tyrants and drew the Soviets into its Afghan quagmire that took a million or more lives;
-- George C. Marshall, instrumental in creating NATO and waging war against North Korea;
-- Theodore Roosevelt who once said "I should welcome almost any war, for I think this country needs one" |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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The Nobel Committee's Twisted Logic in Announcing the Award
It reflects Obama's
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| extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. |
Fact Check:
In less than nine months in office, Obama has been confrontational through destabilizing belligerence towards numerous countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, China, Occupied Palestine, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Somalia, North Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Honduras by deposing a democratically elected president and obstructing efforts to reinstate him.
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| Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons. |
Fact Check:
America has the world's largest, most threatening arsenal and global delivery systems. Besides Israel, it's the only major power with a first-strike nuclear policy against any country called a threat. Its drawdown plans will replace old weapons with better new ones, and so-called "missile defense" is solely for offense.
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| Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multinational diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions play. |
Fact Check:
Obama is pursuing the same policies as George Bush:
-- permanent wars and occupations;
-- record amounts of military spending at a time America has no enemies;
-- supplying arms and munitions to rogue state allies;
-- confronting independent ones with sanctions, belligerent threats, and more war;
-- subverting the rule of law;
-- pursuing a global jihad against human rights and civil liberties;
-- using Security Council pressure and intimidation to enforce policy and block constructive measures through vetoes; and
-- overall continuing America's hegemonic pursuit of "full spectrum dominance" over all land, surface and sub-surface sea, air, space, electromagnetic spectrum and information systems with enough overwhelming power to fight and win global wars against any adversary, including with nuclear weapons preemptively.
Under Obama,
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the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climate challenges the world is confronting.
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Fact Check:
Obama's House-passed "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009" is environmentally destructive, lets corporate polluters reap huge windfall profits by charging consumers more for energy and fuel, and creates new Wall Street bubble potential through carbon trading derivatives speculation.
According to Alden Meyer of the Union of Concerned Scientists, the "US stance retards progress at Bangkok climate talks" the way it's obstructed earlier efforts.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Obama gave a very good speech when receiving his prize.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSNl83fbJNI
My knee jerk antiwar leanings aside, I was pleased that he pointed out that the US has underwritten security around the world for many decades. I oppose all the stupid wars, but it is not honest to shout at the United States for her mistakes while at the same time ignoring the contributions she has made since WW2.
I am not a fan of President Obama. This largely because I believe he has sold out his beliefs for political realities (I'll refrain from ranting about Larry Summers). Well, what can he do. The contemplative, interesting guy who wrote Dreams has two wars and a depression on his plate. But he took time to lecture Europeans about fundamental values, which always gets me excited. "I face the world as it is". Very true. "The belief that peace is desirable is rarely enough to achieve it." Also very true. The speech was humble yet firm. It was honest and realistic. He defended American actions while allowing that America has made mistakes. None the less, he is an extreme disappointment in my opinion. Speeches, no matter how well written and delivered, are not a substitute for good policy. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| This largely because I believe he has sold out his beliefs for political realities |
Realities? I'm surprised you know the word as more than just a rumor. I thought you Austrians were more into ivory tower delidealismusions.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| This largely because I believe he has sold out his beliefs for political realities |
Realities? I'm surprised you know the word as more than just a rumor. I thought you Austrians were more into ivory tower delidealismusions.  |
Weak.
Torture at Baghram. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Published on Thursday, February 2, 2012 by Common Dreams
Nobel Peace Prize Jury Under Investigation
Probe: Has Nobel Peace Prize Lost Its Way?
- Common Dreams staff
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| The reason for the heightened pressure rests on an investigation by the Stockholm County Administrative Board of the committee's recent choices prompted by 'persistent complaints' by author and peace researcher, Fredrik Heffermehl, and roundly criticized choices by the committee in recent years -- most notably US President Barack Obama, a war commander governing over numerous military conflicts at the time he was awarded the auspicious "peace" prize in 2009. |
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