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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
However, like you said, if people would drop the attitude a lot more people would be open to quitting.
Like I said I do want to quit, and soon. |
If you want to quit, quit.
Don't ruin your health out of spite. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
However, like you said, if people would drop the attitude a lot more people would be open to quitting.
Like I said I do want to quit, and soon. |
If you want to quit, quit.
Don't ruin your health out of spite. |
I know, I know.
I think in order to quit I'll have to quit drinking as well...that will really suck. Cigs and alcohol go hand in hand... |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
However, like you said, if people would drop the attitude a lot more people would be open to quitting.
Like I said I do want to quit, and soon. |
If you want to quit, quit.
Don't ruin your health out of spite. |
I know, I know.
I think in order to quit I'll have to quit drinking as well...that will really suck. Cigs and alcohol go hand in hand... |
Onnly smoke when you drink and don't drink every day.... Save a couple for serious hangovers, but not a whole pack... It gets difficult but can be done.. you have to have the balls to throw away that pack you wake up to from the drinking night before though.... |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Pot and alcohol are not the same. |
They seem pretty much the same to me. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
However, like you said, if people would drop the attitude a lot more people would be open to quitting.
Like I said I do want to quit, and soon. |
If you want to quit, quit.
Don't ruin your health out of spite. |
I know, I know.
I think in order to quit I'll have to quit drinking as well...that will really suck. Cigs and alcohol go hand in hand... |
Excuses, excuses!
Quit, man! |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
Onnly smoke when you drink and don't drink every day... |
2nded
Going from smoker to drinker-smoker-only was easier for me than I expected
Captain Corea wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
Pot and alcohol are not the same. |
They seem pretty much the same to me. |
Wow. Pot's a helluva lot more psychedelic, surely. |
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scotty12347
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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I understand why people smoke pot, they're damaging themselves, but they're getting a good effect from it.
People who smoke say they get a good feeling when they satisfy their cravings, but why would you want them in the first place. I guess smoking will just never make sense to me. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
Onnly smoke when you drink and don't drink every day... |
2nded
Going from smoker to drinker-smoker-only was easier for me than I expected
Captain Corea wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
Pot and alcohol are not the same. |
They seem pretty much the same to me. |
Wow. Pot's a helluva lot more psychedelic, surely. |
After 5+ years of working in nightclubs, I'm pretty confident in saying that alcohol is mind altering as well. |
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DrugstoreCowgirl
Joined: 08 May 2009 Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
Onnly smoke when you drink and don't drink every day... |
2nded
Going from smoker to drinker-smoker-only was easier for me than I expected
Captain Corea wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
Pot and alcohol are not the same. |
They seem pretty much the same to me. |
I would think that alcohol has more of an effect on the mind. In my experiences anyway. Alcohol totally changes your personality if you drink enough, makes you do stupid things, dangerous things, things you wouldn't normally do.
Wow. Pot's a helluva lot more psychedelic, surely. |
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steveinincheon
Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Location: in The Shadows of Gyeyangsan
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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First of all Smoking, Alcohol, Caffeine, and Acetaminophen are all more physically harmful than Marijuana, Psilocybin, LSD, and Ecstasy. Tobacco kills more people than any other substance followed by alcohol, followed by Acetaminophen (in North America it least). I don't suggest that any of these be banned or even too heavily restricted, but am only suggesting how completely arbitrary it is as to what's illegal and what isn't. Tobacco and Alcohol have been engrained in Western culture for hundreds, even thousands of years and their acceptance is therefore much greater than that of other drugs.
As a nonsmoker I think people should be free to smoke wherever they want provided they aren't harming non-smokers too seriously. I have no problem with smoky bars and restaurants personally, but I do have a problem with employees who, ought of economic necessity, have to work day in and day out in a smoky environment. Its not the patrons of a bar who are going to get emphysema from second hand smoke - its the staff who are exposed to it 40 hours a week for many years that have to worry. Still, as long as you can enclose the smoking area and keep employees from spending too long in it, I don't see the problem with having one - and many of the smoking bans in N America go way too far in restricting what privately owned businesses can do.
Essentially, if you banned tobacco tomorrow, you would end up with the world's largest black market in history, and a goldmine of opportunity for gangs, corruption, and organized crime. This would worsen quality of life for smokers and nonsmokers alike. Same with alcohol - the consequences of doing this are already well known. Similarly, I believe that if restrictions on other drugs were relaxed, violent crime in the West would decrease sharply, while narcostates like Afghanistan and Myanmar would have an opportunity to become more stable and democratic. Decriminalizing some drugs, and fully legalizing others could bring more benefits for everyone involved - well except for the DEA agents who will now be working at Wal Mart.
Really, one of the biggest problems with legalization in the West, are the pro-legalize assclowns who take any legitimacy away from what could otherwise be a sensible policy choice. One thing to keep in mind is that alcoholics who come to work drunk and disorderly tend not to get very far in their careers. Likewise, even if weed were legal the NORML bunch would still be living in their parents basement listening to Phish records after just getting fired from their 3rd dishwashing job in 4 months |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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1) Cigarettes and alcohol are legal.
2) People categorize drugs as either good or bad.
(Cure your disease, or make you high and screw you up)
3) Because of #1, people don't think they are as bad as narcotics and other hardcore drugs, rather they kill you slowly.
4) My dad and his friends smoke/drink, so they think it's ok.
5) Lack of information regarding drugs.
This doesn't seem to be a cultural thing, but rather worldwide.
And yes, marijuana is actually less harmful and addictive than cigarettes. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Lets clear up some 'facts'
Pot smoke = more carcinogenic than ciggies. Plus no filter usually, so way worse. Plus it's usually mixed with tobacco and held in the lungs both harder and in larger quantities.
Okay fags and booze will slowly kill you and kill more people than acid or x. This is true. But for the purposes of running a society / civilisation in the current mode if large percentages of the population went round on these drugs everyday civilisation and models of society as we know them today would fall apart very quickly.
Now I am not to judge if that would be good or not, but them's facts Jack. |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Here you go, some drug facts.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20drugs.gif
Assuming of course, it is the pure drug, nothing is mixed and it is smoked, inhaled, or injected in equal amounts, etc. Alcohol and tobacco are both on the list. So, steveinincheon was right. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Psy wrote: |
Here you go, some drug facts.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20drugs.gif
Assuming of course, it is the pure drug, nothing is mixed and it is smoked, inhaled, or injected in equal amounts, etc. Alcohol and tobacco are both on the list. So, steveinincheon was right. |
And what percentage of people would you figure smoke just pure cannabis - ie hot knives?
How many rather mix it with baccy and smoke spliffs, blunts, bhongs or buckets...? |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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And what percentage of people would you figure smoke just pure cannabis - ie hot knives?
How many rather mix it with baccy and smoke spliffs, blunts, bhongs or buckets...? |
Zero, because it's too darn expensive.
Probably all.
Cheers. |
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