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Pros and cons of being the sole foreign teacher at a school?
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:

don't forget these guys probably have families and children or are saving money for that time.


One of the four teachers at my school has a family, but that's not the point. Perhaps they are happy with their lives as they are, that's fine. It's no different than someone in your home country that is stuck in their own little routine. However, I think -- I hope -- that most foreigners who come to Korea have a little bit more adventure and curiousity than this, and that's what attracted them to come here in the first place.

wylde wrote:

i don't know which korea you are in but in this korea, koreans don't eat fruit and drink soju and they don't drink soju in hofs. they eat meat and soup with soju and fruit with beer and whiskey.
it sounds like you don't mix with them at all. who is the sheltered one now?


That is being a little pedantic, is it not? Ok, they drink draught beer and eat fruit. Same difference.


wylde wrote:

that said, you don't need to work with foreigners.. there are plenty around, just go to the right bars and there plenty of foreigners that you can talk to and they 'reckonize' the daily life here. the schools that have a few foreign teachers that i know of in my area always go out together, eat together, teach together.. i never see them with koreans, never. you are limiting your experience if you come to korea and just hang out in the foreign crowd.


I agree with you to some extent that you are limiting your experiences if you only hang out with a foreign crowd. By all means, go to dinner and to a hof to eat fruit and drink soju (uhhh, I mean beer) with your Korean co-workers once in awhile. Join a martial art. Go hiking. However, I think having a small group of expats you work and hang with makes it a lot easier to adjust to living in Korea, and provides some balance and perspective for you.
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:

i don't know which korea you are in but in this korea, koreans don't eat fruit and drink soju and they don't drink soju in hofs. they eat meat and soup with soju and fruit with beer and whiskey.
it sounds like you don't mix with them at all. who is the sheltered one now?


bosintang wrote:
That is being a little pedantic, is it not? Ok, they drink draught beer and eat fruit. Same difference.


i don't think so...you were saying 'in your experience' and i was stating that your experience didn't seem accurate for the argument. and if that example wasn't accurate does that mean the same for the rest of your post?
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being the only foreign teacher at my school, the isolation caused by the language barrier can be tough. Yeah my Korean counterpart can speak English, but everyone is talking at light speed in Korean while I'm sitting at my desk twiddling my thumbs.

I have some foreign friends whom I see, mostly just on weekends. Without that I don't know how I would have lasted this long (I've been here for six months). People back in Canada who know about my situation think I must go crazy in the evenings when I come home, but I'm not someone who needs to socialize all the time.

That said, being the only foreigner in my neighbourhood has definitely helped me master survival Korean and now I'm working on becoming conversational in the language. If I always had another foreigner around to shelter me I don't know how I would have learned as much as I have.

So you need the other foreigners for your English conversation fix, but make sure find a balance that makes you happy.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no overwhelming side to take here. It depends on you.

Being the only teacher, you are definitely special. This can be good and bad. Your boss may overdo it by constantly checking on you, taking you out to dinner, making you drink soju, etc etc out of concern. The kids may jump all over you and not leave you alone for a moment. Then again,
everyone might just ignore you and leave you on your own. Depends on the school/location.

I think going it alone is best because you get to look, feel, see everything in your own eyes, original perspective for the first time. Hanging around other teachers can really mold your thinking. For example, one teacher I hung around with when I first came convinced me all Korean food is dirty and will make me sick, so it took me a long time to even try it. I shelled out money on expensive western restaurants/pizza/fast food for a month.
When she quit and ran home to mommy, I started eating the food and realized I love it and it's not dirty (at least not usually Razz ).

If those other teachers are like her, whiners, complainers who can't wait to get back home, then that will weigh heavily on you.
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
There's no overwhelming side to take here. It depends on you.

Being the only teacher, you are definitely special. This can be good and bad. Your boss may overdo it by constantly checking on you, taking you out to dinner, making you drink soju, etc etc out of concern. The kids may jump all over you and not leave you alone for a moment. Then again,
everyone might just ignore you and leave you on your own. Depends on the school/location.

I think going it alone is best because you get to look, feel, see everything in your own eyes, original perspective for the first time. Hanging around other teachers can really mold your thinking. For example, one teacher I hung around with when I first came convinced me all Korean food is dirty and will make me sick, so it took me a long time to even try it. I shelled out money on expensive western restaurants/pizza/fast food for a month.
When she quit and ran home to mommy, I started eating the food and realized I love it and it's not dirty (at least not usually Razz ).

If those other teachers are like her, whiners, complainers who can't wait to get back home, then that will weigh heavily on you.


That's pretty weak. Good thing you haven't been influenced too much by that person. There are legitimate gripes by foreign teachers here: not getting paid, being lied to, etc. But you don't like the food? Nobody speaks English? Hmm... it's going to be a long year for those people.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She was a liberal, strong minded feminist and self proclaimed independent. Yet at night, after a few tall bottles of beer, I'd hear her crying to mother on the phone.

I remember she spent her entire paycheck on sweaters and then had her Dad send her a credit card.

Anyway, I could write a chapter about her.
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justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done both, and I really think working with other foreign teachers is better. If you are the only teacher, the school is likely pretty small. This can mean financial difficulty, which you might end up feeling the effects of, even though you shouldn't have to worry about it.

When I was the only foreign teacher, my boss would let me know that he was having to borrow money to pay me (yikes!). I didn't want to have to worry about his money problems becoming mine as well! I just wanted my money on payday each month.

Also, being the only teacher meant a lot closer contact with the boss and his family. That isn't bad, but it was hard to know where the line of "I'm an employee" and "we're part of the hakwon family so we all share in everything together" mentality was. I felt like his marketing and business skills were poor, and so I'd try to help because if he did something really wrong, then it would affect me. Instead of being able to focus only on my teaching and my life, I was constantly pulled into worrying about HIS life. I don't want to sound selfish, but I didn't want to feel like it was my responsibilty to help him run his business. (ouside of being the best teacher I could be)

All that said, I enjoy the atmosphere of working with many teachers a lot more. My current school has 3 wae-gooks and 4 Korean teachers. All of the Korean teachers speak English fluently. I like all my co-workers and the atmosphere in the office is great. We joke, talk about students and classes, we occasionally all go out for a drink or dinner and it's great.

Working with other Westerners is nice. Maybe I'm just lucky, though. No one has a bad attitude at our school. I've gotten to meet some great people and it makes working and living away from home a bit easier.

Good luck in your decision!
justagirl
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:

i don't think so...you were saying 'in your experience' and i was stating that your experience didn't seem accurate for the argument. and if that example wasn't accurate does that mean the same for the rest of your post?


You, are of course, right, Koreans drink draught beer with fruit, and soju with meat and soup etc. etc...but to entirely to equate a small mistake like that to an entire fallacy in my argument takes a bit of a stretch...anyways...
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
There's no overwhelming side to take here. It depends on you.


You are right Shawn. We could argue until we are blue in the face, and it when it all comes down to it, it's all up to personal preference. Everyone has their own motivations for coming here, and their own challenges to face.

But if someone asks for advice on whether they should go to a school where they are the lone foreigner or one where there's a couple of foreigners, what would you reccomend? Shawn, from my understanding, you pulled a runner from your first hagwon, did you not? Would you reccomend this same experience to someone else?

wylde wrote:

5 months without a beer with a foreigner when i first came.. then, for the next 3 months it was only one 54 year old foreigner, he is my best buddy here. he is fluent so it was great going to the places i went alone and with my korean friends with him. i loved it.. you are robbing yourself if you don't take all you can get from this.


I'm glad things worked out for you. But let me ask you these questions:

- If things weren't running so smoothly at your hagwon, would you still of been happy?

- If you had nobody to speak some English with, would you still of been happy?

- If you had to go another three months without having a conversation with a native speaker, again, would you still of been happy?

Perhaps things *weren't* running smoothly at your hagwon, and perhaps you *didn't* have anyone to speak English with, but you still managed to have a good time. I don't know. However if this is the case, I think this puts you in a minority.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done both, and I had a better experience when I had coworkers, simply because a couple of them were cool to hang out with. This year that I just wrapped up wasn't full of foreigners, nor Korean friends really, just not the right setup to do anything other than eat and drink alone, so I stayed home a lot during the week and did all the cool stuff on the weekends. I like staying home during the week, but I don't like travelling 3 hours every weekend just to see such and such a person.

Good coworkers, no matter the skin color, rock.
Bad coworkers, no matter the skin color, suck.

It's a pretty simple formula.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I'm the only foreigner at my school... didn't even see another foreigner the first two months I was in Korea. Now, they're firing the only English speaking Korean teacher at my school, so I'm gonna be able to go for weeks on end without speaking to other people.


The other Korean English teachers don't speak English?
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What other teacher?

After they fire my friend, I'll be the only Enlish teacher at the school, Korean or English. Other than me, there'll be two math teachers and my director, who teaches some social studies. They may be picking up another Korean teacher, but not for English.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done that. It can be very lonely. Stay strong and be glad you have the internet...
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say I overly miss other foreigners... there's alot of nutjobs out there. Anyone ever met maxx? Whew...

Actually, being so alone has forced me to get out even more than I was. So I started visiting one restaurant 4 times a week and now some people there may not speak to me (language and all), but they smile when they see me. And I actually had one regular say "hi" to me on the street one time.
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kangnamdragon



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Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously suggest finding some guys your age at a bar, and try some basic Korean on them.. Eventually you will learn more and friendships will develop.
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