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What to do with Public After School Early Closure

 
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shl82



Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: What to do with Public After School Early Closure Reply with quote

So I am in a situation.
My public after school program is closing one month prior to finishing out my 1 year contract. So I havent had the "talk" with the boss man but is he suppose to pay me for the 1 month I am entitled since he is making the decision to shut down the school earlier. Our after school program has been hit hard because the city opened an English center(city of Gunpo/Sanbon) and basically half of our students went there last month. Anyways, I am supposed to get the severance pay after completing out the contract, now it seems unlikely since he is shutting it down. I cant help but to think that its slimy of him to shut down the school one month prior to finishing out the contract. So should I ask my boss for the extra month pay? Should I ask him about the severance payment? Airfare? Worst scenario, I am sure he will try to be cheap but if he is not paying then I will have to go to the labor board. Which brings up another question, where is the labor board near Sanbon area? Thank you all for reading.
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hockeyguy109



Joined: 22 Dec 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 month before leaving! Talk about bad timing. Thats rough, my apologies.
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mmstyle



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: wherever

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if this sort of thing is covered under 11th month laws (ie, they can't fire you to get out of paying all the end of contract stuff).

I don't know where your local board is, but if you call Seoul at 1350, I would think they can tell you about a local contact number or address or something.


That sucks-I feel for you!
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doubt they would consider that an '11th month firing' in the classic esl teacher in korea sense because he wouldnt be fired - he would be laid off for lack of work, which is legal. as long as they give the required 30 days notice or pay in lieu of, there wouldnt really be a winnable case at labor board.

the best way to deal with this is to try work work out some kind of comprimise between the employee and the employer regarding payouts that they can both live with.
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shl82



Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: what about giving 30 day notice before closing Reply with quote

dont korean owners need to give 30 days notice before closing down school?
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OculisOrbis wrote:
as long as they give the required 30 days notice or pay in lieu of, there wouldnt really be a winnable case at labor board.


notice or cash before releasing an employee - so yes, one or the other. the employee would also get call-back rights should business improve and require a new hire in lay-off scenario.

your labor board case would not include severance and airfare for the reason stated earlier - it was not a tactic used to prevent payment of benefits, it was because there was no work for you

if they didnt give you written notice of at least 30 days or the cash equivalent, only that lost wage would likely be recovered with a case at labor.

as before, try to work something out with your boss about getting SOME of that end of contract payout included - or see if there are classes at another school he has a contract with, that way you finish the contract and he gets to make the full payout of everything to you. just make sure you go to immi and change your workplace address if you go to a different school for that last month. no charge to update an address
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shl82



Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: thank you all for your responses Reply with quote

thank you all for your responses. it clarifies everything.
can someone tell me where to go as far as website that states the labor laws. i would really appreciate that. thank you all again
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OculisOrbis



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.molab.go.kr/english/main.jsp

1350 then 7 to speak to english service labor rep
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: What to do with Public After School Early Closure Reply with quote

shl82 wrote:
So I am in a situation. My public after school program is closing one month prior to finishing out my 1 year contract. So I havent had the "talk" with the boss man...

On what are you basing the rumors?


shl82 wrote:
...but is he suppose to pay me for the 1 month I am entitled since he is making the decision to shut down the school earlier

You will be legally entitled to 30 days "advance notice of dismissal" (or pay in liew) and preferential consideration in rehiring (within two years) should the business start again.


shl82 wrote:
Our after school program has been hit hard because the city opened an English center(city of Gunpo/Sanbon) and basically half of our students went there last month. Anyways, I am supposed to get the severance pay after completing out the contract,...

You will not complete the contract and therefore are not entitled to 'severance'.


shl82 wrote:
...now it seems unlikely since he is shutting it down.

Yes.. higly unlikely.


shl82 wrote:
I cant help but to think that its slimy of him to shut down the school one month prior to finishing out the contract.

How is it slimy? You know (and admit) the business is in financial difficulties. He will have discharged any obligation to you to 'finnish out' the contract by giving you 30 days notice (or pay in liew).


shl82 wrote:
So should I ask my boss for the extra month pay?

Shocked Count yourself lucky if he gives you 30 days notice.


shl82 wrote:
Should I ask him about the severance payment? Airfare?

You can always ask... and dream. Rolling Eyes


shl82 wrote:
Worst scenario, I am sure he will try to be cheap but if he is not paying then I will have to go to the labor board.

The "labor board" [Labor Relations Comission] will not consider an application without merit.


shl82 wrote:
Which brings up another question, where is the labor board near Sanbon area? Thank you all for reading.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+Labor+Standards+Act+Korea
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bliss



Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Gyeonggi

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your boss probably has many after-school programs operating in various areas.

He may try to find you another school - have you considered that?
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shl82



Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: update on this situation Reply with quote

well i found out that boss is shutting down the school because of low numbers but he wants to restart the program next year in march when there is new enrollement of students in the new school year. now i understand if he wanted to shut it down for financial reasons i understand but i doesnt make sense that he happens to shut it down 1 month prior to me finishing out my contract. it only seems like a tactical way of dodging the severance payment. what do you guys think??? my boss has 3 years contract with the school to run the after school program for 2 more years. also, i know he can put me in other schools which he operates the after school program but there are all filled already. i am suppose to have the big talk with him next week as far as payment issues. thank u all for your thoughts on this.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was an honest closure, and they paid you regularly, I wouldn't do anything. Look for a new school.
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