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catman
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 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: UFC 104 (spoilers) |
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Just finished watching UFC 104.
Probably one of the worst decisions since Bisping over Hamill. |
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tatu
Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I agreed with the decision. Rua did no damage other than a few leg kicks. Machida shut him down with counter punching. He had some well timed knees and punches. Rua had no take downs or clean punches. |
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tatu
Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| As a side note. K-1 Dream is on live now and they finally changed to the cage. Good bye boxing ring. |
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Teddycakes21
Joined: 18 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| tatu wrote: |
| As a side note. K-1 Dream is on live now and they finally changed to the cage. Good bye boxing ring. |
When is Lesnar fighting again? |
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IamBabo
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: LESNAR |
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| November 21 vs. Shane Carwin.. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| tatu wrote: |
| I agreed with the decision. Rua did no damage other than a few leg kicks. Machida shut him down with counter punching. He had some well timed knees and punches. Rua had no take downs or clean punches. |
I agreed with the decision too. Machida barely outpointed him, but outpoint him he did. I would have been ok with a draw, but no way did Rua score more than Machida! |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Cain keeps truckin' on. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Also... the older I get, the more I feel like I haven't done much with my life. Stefan Struve is fighting in the Octagon at 21... I always feel like I should just drop everything to get really good at something. Like this one Australian guy that was featured in an episode of No Reservations who moved to Spain to learn how to grill random food under some sort of grilling master. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Most people are PISSED that the decision went to Machida. I think it could of gone either way in terms of points. Rue did however outclass Machida almost the entire fight by picking apart his technique bit by bit. Machida looked beaten by all the leg kicks. On the other hand the commentary was over hyping the legs kicks a lot so I think if you watched the fight without Rogan et al going off, it may have looked a bit different. I was surprised at the "unanimous" victory going to Machida. There were definitely some rounds that he lost. Rua will definitely get a rematch and he will probably win. He looked absolutely dumbfounded when he lost. |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| misher wrote: |
| Most people are PISSED that the decision went to Machida. I think it could of gone either way in terms of points. Rue did however outclass Machida almost the entire fight by picking apart his technique bit by bit. Machida looked beaten by all the leg kicks. On the other hand the commentary was over hyping the legs kicks a lot so I think if you watched the fight without Rogan et al going off, it may have looked a bit different. I was surprised at the "unanimous" victory going to Machida. There were definitely some rounds that he lost. Rua will definitely get a rematch and he will probably win. He looked absolutely dumbfounded when he lost. |
I agree with most of this. I watched it a second time with lots of slo-mo. The commentary was irritating at best. Clearly, their emotion got the best of them. On the second go around, it didn't seem as bad but if Machida threw a kick to the body and punch to the head, it was basically ignored if Rua got a kick in on the counter (or vice versa). Other times they were yapping about something or other and didn't acknowledge good knees or kicks to the body. IMHO, Rua didn't convincingly beat Machida in the first and second rounds. And most likely Machida stole the close third round by taking Rua to the cage at the end of the third. The schizoid commentator (Goldberg) asked "I wonder if that won the round for Machida" then goes on to highlight Rua's couple of counters (as does Rogan) while totally ignoring Machida's strikes. While they were more 'balanced' in rounds 1 & 2, they still ignored M's nice knee to the body at the end of the second, and Rogan called Rua's counter punch to the top of Machida's shoulder 'tagged cleanly'...the best punch against Machida...wtf? By the 4th and 5th rounds, Rua clearly looked like he could go a few more, while Machida looked too sore and tired to walk. I'd definitely give Rua the last 2 as convincing enough against a champion but not enough to score a 10-8 or 2pt round.
The word 'unanimous' needs to be understood in context. Machida only won by one round, that is 3-2. It was 48-47 (3x10 +2x9) vs (3x9+2x10). It was unanimous in the sense that all three judges scored it as 3-2 for Machida. A split would've been 2 judges giving 3-2 or more for fighter A while one judge scores it the other way for fighter B.
I think Rua did a great job and showed he has what it takes. If this were a non-title fight (ie Machida wasn't the champ) then I'd personally favor a decision for Rua or at least a draw.
I strongly disagree that this decision was even close to the Bisping fiasco--that's called building up the best fighter from the UK to sell the sport there.
I also disagree that Rua didn't do any damage. While he may (according to the judges and imho) have not convincingly won the first few rounds against a champ, the leg kicks and body kicks took their toll and paid huge dividends for him in the final two rounds.
Rua did look surprised, but he had a worried look in his eyes right before the decision (cus he knows it has to be really convincing to the judges). He was very classy after hearing the decision, and you can bet he knows and Dana White told him that he's guaranteed a rematch. That's the best to come from this, Rua preparing to make the next one convincing (don't leave it in the hands of the judges) and Machida having to find a plan to nullify his most formidable opponent and next champ if he doesn't. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:24 am Post subject: |
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The word 'unanimous' needs to be understood in context. Machida only won by one round, that is 3-2. It was 48-47 (3x10 +2x9) vs (3x9+2x10). It was unanimous in the sense that all three judges scored it as 3-2 for Machida. A split would've been 2 judges giving 3-2 or more for fighter A while one judge scores it the other way for fighter B.
I think Rua did a great job and showed he has what it takes. If this were a non-title fight (ie Machida wasn't the champ) then I'd personally favor a decision for Rua or at least a draw.
I strongly disagree that this decision was even close to the Bisping fiasco--that's called building up the best fighter from the UK to sell the sport there.
I also disagree that Rua didn't do any damage. While he may (according to the judges and imho) have not convincingly won the first few rounds against a champ, the leg kicks and body kicks took their toll and paid huge dividends for him in the final two rounds.
Rua did look surprised, but he had a worried look in his eyes right before the decision (cus he knows it has to be really convincing to the judges). He was very classy after hearing the decision, and you can bet he knows and Dana White told him that he's guaranteed a rematch. That's the best to come from this, Rua preparing to make the next one convincing (don't leave it in the hands of the judges) and Machida having to find a plan to nullify his most formidable opponent and next champ if he doesn' |
Whoops,
My bad for the misunderstanding about the decision making. I'm still a noob to MMA for the most part.
I completely agree with your post. If the challenger looks to the judges then it is a risky move. Even though boxing is corrupt as hell, that is also the way it works if it is a championship bout. Rua didn't want to commit and "go for the KO" because he was scared of Machida's counters hence the "playing it safe" and chipping away at his legs with non risky leg strikes. His patience worked well against Machida's style but that wasn't enough to convince the judges that he deserved the belt. Now Rua knows it is either all or nothing. This will make for a better rematch. Machida now has to change his game plan as well.
The thing is, most people believe Rua won 5-0 or 4-1 and are outraged at the result. Most MMA writers/bloggers and fans are completely against the decision and believe corruption was involved. Are there that many people that want to see Karate fail? I for one love Machida's style. Many people can't stand it because he is always backing away. It isn't because he is a chicken. it is because he is waiting to counter. Some MMA fans just aren't satisfied with anything unless they see some old fashioned upright dirty boxing and flying knees to the face. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Its also only my opinion but Bisping/Hamill was absolutely ridiculous. That wasn't a championship match and it was clear from the get go that Dana White was trying to break into the UK fan base by hyping Bisping up who is barely mediocre. I hope Kang does Vancouver proud and knocks Bisping the *&^% out at UFC 105
I believe that if it wasn't a title shot then the decision should have gone to Rua for the leg kicks.
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Teddycakes21
Joined: 18 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone have a link so that I can see ufc 104? |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| DL it at piratebay or mininova or wherever, teddycakes. |
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Johnny5
Joined: 05 May 2009
Location: Chungju
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