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withnail



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: KOTESOL Conference - Verdict... Reply with quote

Absolutely fantastic!

KOTESOL is really going places!

This was my first time to go so here's my verdict. I've been an EFL teacher for 13 years, trained as a teacher, worked in half a dozen countries, been a Course Director, been in Korea 3 years, went to lots of Teacher Development sessions/ workshops etc, Postgrad Dip Tesol, MA Tesol etc etc. I never got involved in KOTESOL before now. I thought I didn't have that much to learn, but I learned a lot and came away from it feeling re-motivated!

Attention: To all EFL teachers out there, whether you're a Native Speaker or Korean, you really should join up to KOTESOL as soon as possible!
For anyone who has not been to this before, put it on your list for next year and join up to your local chapter through the Kotesol website.

The high point of the day was an amazing workshop on Extensive Reading with rotating speakers explaining how this works and how to do it. These teachers were wonderfully clear, well researched, professional and full of energy and passion for this very beneficial practice.

[Real name edited out by request]did a great job and added a touch of glamour to it all too - she's beautiful!! Reason enough to go in my opinion, k.k.k.

Rod Ellis was his usual sparkling self - he has a great gift for precision and clarity, speaking here on corrective feedback.

Tim Dalby and Scott Miles are brilliant, brilliant presenters. The sky's the limit for those two!

Scott Thornberry was in top form and spellbinding. Great charisma and full of great insights.

There was also Rob Waring (ER), Andrew Finch (Complexity Theory) Sara Davila (Assessments) andothergreatteachers - couldn't ask for more from a TESOL conference. There must have been about 100 presentations or workshops going on!

It wasn't just aimed at academics and university teachers though. Looking at the schedule there was a lot of stuff for new teachers and teachers of young learners and adults.

All the volunteers and organisers did a great job and it was a pleasure to be there. The only regret was not being able to be in several places at once. Gotta video record these workshops and presentations...

To all of you who made/are making this event happen - you deserve to feel proud.

Thank you very much guys.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join the cult today!!! Why pass information online when you could pay for it???
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a great conference and well worth the price of admission!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: KOTESOL Conference - Day 1 - Verdict... Reply with quote

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Looking at the schedule there was tons of stuff for new teachers


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withnail wrote:


I've been an EFL teacher for 13 years, trained as a teacher and spent 7 years in London and worked in half a dozen countries, been a Course Director, been in Korea 3 years, went to lots of Teacher Development sessions/ workshops etc, Postgrad Dip Tesol, MA Tesol etc etc.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: KOTESOL Conference - Day 1 - Verdict... Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
[Real name edited out by request] did a great job and added a touch of glamour to it all too - she's beautiful!! Reason enough to go in my opinion, k.k.k. : Very Happy

I'm not known for my 'politically correct' views; however, this comment strikes me as sexist.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nunan was disppointing. I think anybody who has read his books or studied his work would have expected more. His sexual references (viagra, thong) and one-person jokes (mostly to his collegues to promote Anaheim University) really surprised me. Nobody laughed around me. I was really disappointed with his behaviour and presentation. I think a lot would feel the same, others I asked certainly did. He certainly shouldn't have been the plenary speaker. Maybe Thornbury would have been better?

Ellis as usual was good, a little boring but very concise which is what I like. Finch complained about the few for internet access. 20,000 is a little much considering how cheap it is in Korea. Many of the 9.00 presentations had laptops and projectors set up late which was a pity as some of them really required it.

Thornbury is always good, Dalby is getting better and better at presenting but 'my wife is here' gag should be changed. It's getting a little dated. The extensive reading topic is good but does it need that many presentations? I guess so to hit the point home.

I do wish that KOTESOL would be more academic. As the number of MAs and Phds increases the topics have to become more academic. I wish that presenters would make their topic and title more specific. To be honest, that would reduce the number of people leaving a presentation in the middle of it if they knew what it was about from the title. It's takes a while to read the schedule and if the topic is vague I think people generally skip over it or go to it and then realise that it is not for them and leave early. A title that is long and well explained would really go a long way for people to decide where to go. Just a thought.

Also, last point, the KOTESOL Conference book says the 16th, not the 17th on the spine. Please pay more attention next time about little things like this.

I think KOTESOL is a GREAT organisation and I really enjoy meeting people and going to presentations. All teachers in Korea should head along to it and take part. You might learn something new!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: KOTESOL Conference - Day 1 - Verdict... Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
withnail wrote:
[Real name edited out by request] did a great job and added a touch of glamour to it all too - she's beautiful!! Reason enough to go in my opinion, k.k.k. : Very Happy

I'm not known for my 'politically correct' views; however, this comment strikes me as sexist.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its 12pm on Sunday, there are still people at the Registration desk, and people show up at the conference.

They are greeted with "Sorry, registration is closed."

Newcomers: "We'll pay the full price. We want to attend the conference."

Registration Table: "Eh......sorry."


This is a big W T F. I was preregistered as a group so I had no problems getting in. I just stood there stunned. These people made it all the way to Sookmyung, and when the get to the front door they are told, "Sorry, you can't come in."

Why? What is a few extra people? The place wasn't packed. There wasn't lines out the door to get in. It was 12pm on Sunday.

On top of that, you gotta preorder your food a day in advanced to eat something.

The overall conference may have been positive, but its little things that leave a bad taste in people's mouths....... except for the people didn't know anything about preordering food, so they didn't have any taste in their mouths.

I feel sorry for those people that showed up to the KOTESOL and got denied at the door.
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Some of the Mothers Said



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkorea wrote:
Nunan was disppointing. I think anybody who has read his books or studied his work would have expected more. His sexual references (viagra, thong) and one-person jokes (mostly to his collegues to promote Anaheim University) really surprised me. Nobody laughed around me. I was really disappointed with his behaviour and presentation. I think a lot would feel the same, others I asked certainly did. He certainly shouldn't have been the plenary speaker. Maybe Thornbury would have been better?

Right on the mark. Nunan was terrible. Amongst what livinginkorera has already said, the jibe aimed at "unqualified backbackers" was unnecessary. So what! A few backpackers teach English so they can travel. Big deal! They might be great teachers. They might be terrible. So he asks for the ESL industry to become professional which is fine, yet calls a colleague in Barcelona to help him land a teaching job for his own daughter?
He then has the audacity to compare unqualified teachers to unqualified doctors! WOW. I don't think "qualified" ESL teachers are quite as important as qualified doctors.
What really ticked me off, was the story he told about the teacher he observed who had great "classroom management," but wouldn't take up his offer to undertake a masters at (of course) Anaheim University. The teacher became a "fossil" (in his eyes) because she refused to develop.
Didn't he say at the start of his speech that the ESL industry is growing in a variety of ways, from a variety of platforms, and that we must keep up? Maybe this teacher was good because she (I think he said) used the technology available to access information on teaching skills which was once the privy of institutes like Anaheim University. If people garner knowledge from other avenues than the traditional systems, perhaps the fossil's are those which propagate the status quo.
Finally, the machine which smashes particles together is called the "Large Hadron Collider" and it's purpose is to: "Demonstrate or rule out the existence of the elusive Higgs boson, the last unobserved particle among those predicted by the Standard Model. Experimentally verifying the existence of the Higgs boson would shed light on the mechanism of electroweak symmetry breaking, through which the particles of the Standard Model are thought to acquire their mass. In addition to the Higgs boson, new particles predicted by possible extensions of the Standard Model might be produced at the LHC"
I have no idea what this means, and neither did David Nunan.
For the rest of the day and general thoughts, livinginkorera is spot on.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the Mothers Said wrote:

Finally, the machine which smashes particles together is called the "Large Hadron Collider" and it's purpose is to: "Demonstrate or rule out the existence of the elusive Higgs boson, the last unobserved particle among those predicted by the Standard Model. Experimentally verifying the existence of the Higgs boson would shed light on the mechanism of electroweak symmetry breaking, through which the particles of the Standard Model are thought to acquire their mass. In addition to the Higgs boson, new particles predicted by possible extensions of the Standard Model might be produced at the LHC"

Ok... now I'm totally confused. What does particle physics have to do with teaching English in K-land (other than the fact gravity, and its opposite - comedy - may have a place in the classroom)?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok... now I'm totally confused. What does particle physics have to do with teaching English in K-land (other than the fact gravity, and its opposite - comedy - may have a place in the classroom)?

Beats me as well! You'd have to ask David Nunan.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, I remember his point now. The reference to the machine was to show that new breakthroughs in the field are happening all the time and this is why you can't afford to assume you know enough about a topic. You need to work to keep yourself up to date with the developments in your field.

I think that's what he meant.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
Ah yes, I remember his point now. The reference to the machine was to show that new breakthroughs in the field are happening all the time and this is why you can't afford to assume you know enough about a topic. You need to work to keep yourself up to date with the developments in your field.

I think that's what he meant.


Yeah, you're right. It's not a good analogy. The Collider only worked for 9 days, and the only thing it's helped produce so far is another crappy Dan Brown book.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
(Withnail's rundown of the conference...)


If you're going to edit your post a 14th time, would you mind editing your avatar and getting that hot chick back up there? Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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