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oldenew
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other.
The OP asked about being in an open relationship. he didn't say that you came back home and beagged about it to your significant other everytime you tumbled. At least I didn't get that impression.
Sort of like gays in the military. Don't ask...don't tell. Do what you want to do and if you can handle it emotionally, who cares.
Me, I don't care if I have a steady or not, I want all the hairpie that I can get. It doesn't mean I don't love mama!
Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other. |
I feel that you cannot separate the two. I could not have sex with someone that I didn't love. I hold no ill-will against those who have one-night stands but I am what I feel.
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| Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
Not true. If you enjoy sex and remain sexually attracted to your partner then every time is exciting. It comes down to sexual attraction as well as sexual performance. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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jealousy and violence are pretty big parts of many people's basic nature too...so go ahead and be unfaithful, but don't get upset when she burns your house down and kills the person you cheated on her with.  |
She's just doing what she feels!! Who can be expected to maintain control at all times? |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other.
Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
Sounds like you don't know anything about love. |
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oldenew
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| oldenew wrote: |
I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other.
Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
Sounds like you don't know anything about love. |
Well, you are wrong there. I was very happily married for 28 years. We were everybit in love on the last days as we were on the first days. Love and sex are not always the same. They can be...but not necessarily so. The opinions of so many of you on this site are so weird. I have to attribute it to the ignorance of youth or stupidity, or you were just brought up in such a limp wristed liberal environment that you have forgotten how to be men. If in fact you ever even knew. Did your daddies wear aprons? I bet they all dressed in drag for Hallowe'en didn't they? I also bet they all secretly loved it too.
I loved my wife. I had sex with other women. That is, after all, the only thing they are good for. You find the best ones for having sex with, and teach them how to be a good wife; cleaning, laundry, washing the dishes, that sort of thing. Without their between the legs possessions, what good are they?
Unless you're gay Then they make really good friends don't they. And...you have the added bonus of wearing lots of the same clothes. And complaining about your boyfriends. Ohhh wouldn't daddy be proud. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| oldenew wrote: |
I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other.
Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
Sounds like you don't know anything about love. |
I loved my wife. I had sex with other women. That is, after all, the only thing they are good for. You find the best ones for having sex with, and teach them how to be a good wife; cleaning, laundry, washing the dishes, that sort of thing. Without their between the legs possessions, what good are they?
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Nope, Drazzie, apparently he's just a scumbag. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| oldenew wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
| oldenew wrote: |
I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other.
Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
Sounds like you don't know anything about love. |
Well, you are wrong there. I was very happily married for 28 years. We were everybit in love on the last days as we were on the first days. Love and sex are not always the same. They can be...but not necessarily so. The opinions of so many of you on this site are so weird. I have to attribute it to the ignorance of youth or stupidity, or you were just brought up in such a limp wristed liberal environment that you have forgotten how to be men. If in fact you ever even knew. Did your daddies wear aprons? I bet they all dressed in drag for Hallowe'en didn't they? I also bet they all secretly loved it too.
I loved my wife. I had sex with other women. That is, after all, the only thing they are good for. You find the best ones for having sex with, and teach them how to be a good wife; cleaning, laundry, washing the dishes, that sort of thing. Without their between the legs possessions, what good are they?
Unless you're gay Then they make really good friends don't they. And...you have the added bonus of wearing lots of the same clothes. And complaining about your boyfriends. Ohhh wouldn't daddy be proud. |
Being married for 28 years doesnt mean you really know love or sex.
More than half divorces in Korea are among people >50, who obviously don't know marrige well.
Also you sound like you have had lots of sex with other women while "happily" staying in your current marriage.
I believe either you were cheating on your wife or your wife is blind n deaf-mute.
In either case, its not an open relationship.
Oh, if you were talking about open relationships before you got married, then forget about what I said.
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:05 am Post subject: |
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I used to be a lucky guy and get to hang out at a "swingers" club back home. I was single but I got to know a lot of the people in open relationships. Sure, they get divorced, but no more frequently than "regular" people. It was never as a result of the swinging (he/she does me better than you.) If you can get past your mate getting nailed by someone else, its great. I especially liked it when my gf did the group thing
and I could watch her - that's sometimes better than me going off in one her direction and her in another |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:38 am Post subject: |
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With the opposite sex, I find only four types of relationships outside of family.
1) Friend - no way, no how, no chance will sex even be a slight possibility. The male either has no desire for her at all, (or gay) or sticks around hoping he has a chance. The female is so comfortable around him, she can be herself and uses him for company and emotional help.
Conclusion: Closed relationship, but no one is getting any anyway.
2) Dating - Normal people will buy girls gifts, do nice things to try to win her over, when all that will do is, make her hold out longer. Smart people will do the opposite. Everyone's heard that girls love bad boys. Girls must hold out because they don't want to come off as being easy. (and no one likes easy girls)
Conclusion: Open relationship! Meet other people freely and make it known that you are doing so even to the other girls/guys you are meeting. Sleep around! Just remember, honesty is the best policy! You are the catch! And when you find the one...
3) Girlfriend/Boyfriend - People are often confused between dating and GF/BF status. GF/BF status means not meeting other people and sleeping with them. If you do, you are cheating! Make it known that only the select few can reach this status in your book and that you have high morals and ethics regarding monogamy.
Conclusion: Closed relationship! If you sleep around while you have a GF/BF, you are stupid and going to hurt others along with yourself.
4) Marriage - Over the course of BFs/GFs, or you're just plain sick of the dating and relationship scene you will get married and live happily ever after..right?
Conclusion: Obviously closed. If you cheat here, you are either immature, unsatisfied with your (sex) life, didn't get enough when you were younger, or cannot control your temptations (emotional - women, or physical - men)
So there you go. If you're dating, (with many people at the same time, hopefully), just be honest. Go nuts! From my experience, both guys and girls respect your honesty. If you're in a GF/BF relationship, just don't.
The others should be obvious, duh. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:35 am Post subject: |
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So there you go. If you're dating, (with many people at the same time, hopefully), just be honest. Go nuts! From my experience, both guys and girls respect your honesty. If you're in a GF/BF relationship, just don't.
The others should be obvious, duh. |
Well, obviously you know everything there is to know about things, so there's not much point in talking further |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Well, obviously you know everything there is to know about things, so there's not much point in talking further |
I gave advice. Ignore it as rubbish? Fine! Disagree with me? Great! So, let's hear your opinion on the matter.
Or was this it?
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If you can get past your mate getting nailed by someone else, its great. I especially liked it when my gf did the group thing
and I could watch her - that's sometimes better than me going off in one her direction and her in another |
I'm not sure what the hell that means..(and I don't really care)
But, an extremely helpful post, which I'm sure touched a ton of people.
See? I can be sarcastic too. |
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Gumdrop92
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I've been in a relationship with my current SO for about 4.5 years. The first two years were considered an open-relationship. He's in the military and is never in the same state/country as me, so we always said that we were in an open relationship.
We both had sex with other people and would never question each other about it. He asked about it one day and made himself very angry over it. So we agreed to end the "open" part of our relationship.
I do think that open-relationships will cause jealously with one, or both, partners. I had never seen my SO angry, so that was a surprising reaction. It never bothered me because I thought he was happy with the "open" part, I guess I was wrong. That is why communication is key! |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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They work and they don't work. It really depends on the people involved.
I've had a few. They worked for a time, but it is hard to stop being jealous. It is human nature to do so. Some people get around a lot more...you don't want to turn your open relationship into a competition to see who gets more...and you just might want to streer clear of people who say they want open relationships just so they can see how many notches they can put in the belt...it does happen.
However far too many people feel they should be jealous and take it too far.
As another poster stated, we aren't really meant to be with only one person our whole lives.
Genetically it makes sense to spread the seed a little...be a little more diverse rather than place all your eggs in one basket so to speak.
Yet it is also a pretty smart idea to stick with one good person and work hard to raise those kids together.
That's really what we are....a mixed up bunch of people trying to do what is best for our own genetic survival.
All the ideals of perfect open relationships or perfect lifelong relationships kind of go out the window.
We all just make our choices and try to do our best with it.
So my answer is follow your heart...which will probably lead to more than one person, but know the person your with and know yourself...don't assume or project what you think you should feel. Somebody will get jealous, somebody will be untrust worthy, somebody out there just might deserve more of your time..may be all of it. You have to be honest. |
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oldenew
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Panda wrote: |
| oldenew wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
| oldenew wrote: |
I think the biggest difference is between sex and love. They are not the same. You can have a steady girlfriend/wife/partner and be totally in love with them. Simply having sex with another person does not mean you all of a sudden don't love or respect the steady other.
Besides, the most exciting sex you ever have is the first 2 or 3 times with someone new. |
Sounds like you don't know anything about love. |
Well, you are wrong there. I was very happily married for 28 years. We were everybit in love on the last days as we were on the first days. Love and sex are not always the same. They can be...but not necessarily so. The opinions of so many of you on this site are so weird. I have to attribute it to the ignorance of youth or stupidity, or you were just brought up in such a limp wristed liberal environment that you have forgotten how to be men. If in fact you ever even knew. Did your daddies wear aprons? I bet they all dressed in drag for Hallowe'en didn't they? I also bet they all secretly loved it too.
I loved my wife. I had sex with other women. That is, after all, the only thing they are good for. You find the best ones for having sex with, and teach them how to be a good wife; cleaning, laundry, washing the dishes, that sort of thing. Without their between the legs possessions, what good are they?
Unless you're gay Then they make really good friends don't they. And...you have the added bonus of wearing lots of the same clothes. And complaining about your boyfriends. Ohhh wouldn't daddy be proud. |
Being married for 28 years doesnt mean you really know love or sex.
More than half divorces in Korea are among people >50, who obviously don't know marrige well.
Also you sound like you have had lots of sex with other women while "happily" staying in your current marriage.
I believe either you were cheating on your wife or your wife is blind n deaf-mute.
My wife died in my arms...cancer. I am probably best described as knowing very well exactly what the difference is between what is perceived as right and/or wrong by the masses. The only issue is that I do not care. Believe me, the opinions of those whose opinion I do not care about simply do not matter. I care about only those who can help me, personally or professionally. The rest of the planet does not exist for me. It is the only way I was able to be as huge a success as I was during my 30 years as a basically trained killer. Which is what your American Marine is, or a SEAL or a Green Beret, or special forces or SWAT member. Deal with it. The world needs people who do our job or you whiners and crybabies couldn`t do what you do best, which is to be cowards. I`m sure you all sleep well at night...so do I.If you were my enemy and I was ordered to terminate you I would do so with fantastic ease then lean against your corpse and eat K-rations.
In either case, its not an open relationship.
Oh, if you were talking about open relationships before you got married, then forget about what I said. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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My wife died in my arms...cancer. I am probably best described as knowing very well exactly what the difference is between what is perceived as right and/or wrong by the masses. The only issue is that I do not care. Believe me, the opinions of those whose opinion I do not care about simply do not matter. I care about only those who can help me, personally or professionally. The rest of the planet does not exist for me. It is the only way I was able to be as huge a success as I was during my 30 years as a basically trained killer. Which is what your American Marine is, or a SEAL or a Green Beret, or special forces or SWAT member. Deal with it. The world needs people who do our job or you whiners and crybabies couldn`t do what you do best, which is to be cowards. I`m sure you all sleep well at night...so do I.If you were my enemy and I was ordered to terminate you I would do so with fantastic ease then lean against your corpse and eat K-rations.
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So sorry to hear about your wife.
Mr. SEAL, aka Green Beret, I am just an innocent poster who made some nonsence about open relationship, please dont terminate me with your powerful U.S weapon, I am so scared now.  |
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