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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
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So would some titled people throw their title around when deciding which bar to go to next? Some might, but he/she would definitely have more say in the matter.
Like I say, I've never been to the UK. Maybe they are really as hidebound in their class system so as to give a guy more say in planning a bar-hop simply because he's the Fourth Duke Of Whatever. My guess would be, though, that any extra social traction he would have would be a result of having more disposable cash on hand, not the title per se. |
The way people who have never visited my country view it is frikkin' hilllarious. thinking Lords and Ladies walking around with suits and bowler hats are running things lol...
Hillarious. |
Just for the record, since it's not clear who you were replying to, I was expressing skepticism at the "Lords And Ladies" image of British society. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^^^^ Was quoting Komerrytroll |
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komerican
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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It's very difficult to get into the British upper classes which make up about 1% of the population. You either have to become very wealthy and let's face it how many people can do that or marry into it. At sort of the outer fringe of the upper class you also have a peerage system and wealthy families who make up the hereditary landed gentry which still exists today. Basically a small percentage of the population, the elite, which has ruled Great Britain for centuries and which is de facto closed off to the commoners.
You can say that Korea has these age-hierarchies but they are really not as important as the economic class divisions that are created in a capitalistic economy. |
For crying out loud no-one calls the rich the upper classes anymore. Land isn't handed out to barons and stuff liek that any more you damned bloody idiot. Yes the dinosaurs still exist but they are remanants and will soon merely be fossil record. Of course they pass the wealth down through their famillies through iinheritance etc but it is subject to heavy taxes and whilst they may be wealthy they do not enjoy the kind of influence you Komeritroll are suggesting lol....
The landed gentry do not rule the country you utter foolish troll.
Yes rich people have power in every country in the world. It's the same in the UK but your notion of the upper classes and lower classes etc is an anachronism. People get knighthoods etc today for contributing to society, not because of their bloodline lol...
Hillarious, simply hiilarious.
Anyway back on topic - sex in Korea, Kinsey..... |
What's wrong with using "upper class" you ignorant fool?
I never said land was handed out or that the landed gentry ruled society. Read my post you twit, I said these titles were on the "outer fringe" of the upper class.
Everybody knows people get knighthoods in Britain for contributing to society and I wrote before that Britain was a meritocracy. The point I'm making is that it's the elite, if that's what you want to call it, wrapped up in their feudal titles that are still powerful in Britain and that it's not as fluid as you say it is. The upper class in Britain tend to stay that way and it's not just about money no matter how high the tax.
Social structure of Britain
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Unlike some other countries such as the USA, class in Britain is more a matter of values and behaviours such as accent, vocabulary, manners, style of dress and taste than purely money.[1] Below is a description of the various social classes.
The upper classes
See also: Ruling class, Upper class, and Upper middle class
The upper class in Britain is statistically very small and consists of the peerage, gentry, and landowners. These people were traditionally the wealthiest in the land having inherited money and position. Typically they would speak with a Received Pronunciation accent and been educated at public schools. Traditionally the upper class had a disdain for trade.[2] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure_of_Britain#Heraldry_.26_Social_Class |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Unlike some other countries such as the USA, class in Britain is more a matter of values and behaviours such as accent, vocabulary, manners, style of dress and taste than purely money.[1] Below is a description of the various social classes.
The upper classes
See also: Ruling class, Upper class, and Upper middle class
The upper class in Britain is statistically very small and consists of the peerage, gentry, and landowners. These people were traditionally the wealthiest in the land having inherited money and position. Typically they would speak with a Received Pronunciation accent and been educated at public schools. Traditionally the upper class had a disdain for trade.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure_of_Britain#Heraldry_.26_Social_Class |
1. You think wiki is a decent resource? Really?
2. Note the use of past tense in the wiki quote (I know you know that anyway and are only trolling, but hey, I have 10 min desk time before I go out.)
3. Any surviving 'landed gentry' have to work hard to invest, create business with, hold on to their money these days. It's not like the older days fool where they made continuous income form such sources as land and serfs idiot. Hence a lot of them have to turn their homes into museums and have people pay for day tours of them or turn them into hotels etc.... They don't have the kind of power you IMAGINE they do have in society either. It's the politicians and owners of big industry that have the power just like anywhere else. And those pople in the current UK came from every spectrum of society just like in the USA and NOT KOREA where most of them are from one province only. Sure a few people still get on in life through their 'old boys club' connections and no doubt there will be remmenants of this for decades yet, but it will go the way of the dodo and any potential you may have once had for intellect - eventually.
Anyway troll I'm really pointing this out to others as I know you already know this stuff. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
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Unlike some other countries such as the USA, class in Britain is more a matter of values and behaviours such as accent, vocabulary, manners, style of dress and taste than purely money.[1] Below is a description of the various social classes.
The upper classes
See also: Ruling class, Upper class, and Upper middle class
The upper class in Britain is statistically very small and consists of the peerage, gentry, and landowners. These people were traditionally the wealthiest in the land having inherited money and position. Typically they would speak with a Received Pronunciation accent and been educated at public schools. Traditionally the upper class had a disdain for trade.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure_of_Britain#Heraldry_.26_Social_Class |
1. You think wiki is a decent resource? Really?
2. Note the use of past tense in the wiki quote (I know you know that anyway and are only trolling, but hey, I have 10 min desk time before I go out.)
3. Any surviving 'landed gentry' have to work hard to invest, create bsuiness with, hold on to their money these days. It's not like the older days fool where they made contiuous incme form such sources as land and serfs idiot. Hence a lot of them hvae to turn theiir home sinto museums and have people pay for day tours of them or turn them into hotels etc.... They don't have the kind of power you IMAGINE they do have in society either. It's the politicians and owners of big industry that have the power just like anywhere else. And those pople in the current UK came from every spectrum of society just like in the USA and NOT KOREA where most of them are from one province only.
Anyway troll I'm really pointing this out to others as I know you already know this stuff. |
Nonsense, you're lying. It's interesting how accent, of all things, determines class in Britain. Accent? haha. And your criticising Confucian hierarchy? A system that died with the end of the Yi dynasty? 
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| Sure a few people still get on in life through their 'old boys club' connections and no doubt there will be remmenants of this for decades yet, but it will go the way of the dodo and any potential you may have once had for intellect - eventually. |
Liar. How about this priviledged "old boys club" will still be powerful for as long as there is a Britain? As I wrote, this hierarchy in your society is not so much based on money as it is in class, the upper class you incredible twit. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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I think I'll go with the guy from England (as I believe DWAEJI is) over the guy from America on the topic of how things are in England.
I love how a thread on a report on sexual behavior has morphed into a discussion of the influence of The House of Lords. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:06 am Post subject: |
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I think I'll go with the guy from England (as I believe DWAEJI is) over the guy from America on the topic of how things are in England.
I love how a thread on a report on sexual behavior has morphed into a discussion of the influence of The House of Lords. |
Well, Dwaeji is just making my point. The point being that in Britain, while these hierarchies based on ancient feudal titles or accents still exist and play a role in society overall you still have a meritocracy. In the same way, while some aspects of ancient Confucian culture still exists in Korea it is not the main factor influencing room salons or rape which is what the Kinsey report was on. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^^^^
I think 95% of posters know what Komeritroll is about now I gave him enough rope to hang himself by displaying his stupidity without the usual smoke and mirrors he employs. The feeble minded always do. Kind of like the Bond villains that go on a long monologue about how they'll take over the world and end up not killing Bond lol....
Ignore the troll.
nothing to see here. |
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Old Gil
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
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I think I'll go with the guy from England (as I believe DWAEJI is) over the guy from America on the topic of how things are in England.
I love how a thread on a report on sexual behavior has morphed into a discussion of the influence of The House of Lords. |
Well, Dwaeji is just making my point. The point being that in Britain, while these hierarchies based on ancient feudal titles or accents still exist and play a role in society overall you still have a meritocracy. In the same way, while some aspects of ancient Confucian culture still exists in Korea it is not the main factor influencing room salons or rape which is what the Kinsey report was on. |
You need to prove that one is more pervasive that another, and you have not come close. |
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