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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of the naiivety and so on, is just making conversation, small talk, or nervously looking for something to talk about. Don't take it literally, most times they're just trying to be friendly. They're prone to saying the first thing that crosses their minds.
If you were at home, and some eskimo who couldn't speak english walked in, and you had to serve him, what neutral, obvious topic of conversation would you start with? would you be curious, and would your cultural preconceptions/ stereo types come into play at all?
I think too many westerners here are too unable to put themselves in a koreans' position.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kangnam Mafioso wrote:
My friends, in Korea you will never, ever fit in -- you will always be on the outside, an oddity, a curiosity, an alien, an unwelcome face on the subway. Accept that! You will never EVER be assimilated. I don't care if you marry a Korean girl, become fluent in the language, become an expert in Korean history and culture: In the eyes of the average Korean, because you are not Ethnic Korean, you will forever be as much the outsider as the newbie arriving in Incheon for his first hogwan job.

Regrettably I have to concur entirely with this. But I choose to stay here anyway, and I choose my freinds well, and that constitutes a large part of my world. I don't even want to assimilate, apart from learning the language which interests me a lot I have no desire to be accepted or to go deep into korean culture. They're all just strangers to me, and according to Korean culture it's self that means they are not even human because we have not been introduced.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean: "You use chopsticks very well."

Foreigner: "Thanks. So do you."

Korean: "You understand some Korean language."

Foreigner: "A little. And you, wow, you know some English."

Actually not really funny, but may be good replies to these kind of remarks.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered at Burger King. I say the entire exchange in Korean. The person behind the counter sweats and hmm-hahs trying to say everything back to me in English. At the end of the ordeal he turns to his co-worker and says in Korean (English is very hard).. grrrrr.. doesn't have to be.. I was speaking to you in Korean during the entire exchange. Oh well.. I guess he could use the practice for the next foreigner who comes in..
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mildly frustrated that no matter how many times I say to the taxi driver the name of my school, they still don't understand me. And every Korean friend I have has told me that on the phone, they have to listen hard to know I'm not Korean... the very few phrases I do know, my kids hammered into me the exact correct pronounciation. So, why the hell does the taxi driver act like I'm speaking Farci when I tell him this one phrase that I have practiced hundreds of times?
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indiercj



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I'm mildly frustrated that no matter how many times I say to the taxi driver the name of my school, they still don't understand me. And every Korean friend I have has told me that on the phone, they have to listen hard to know I'm not Korean... the very few phrases I do know, my kids hammered into me the exact correct pronounciation. So, why the hell does the taxi driver act like I'm speaking Farci when I tell him this one phrase that I have practiced hundreds of times?


It may sound bizarre but... From my own experiences, I can only conclude that your white face tends to make them half deaf instantly. I don't think you can do anything about it so...
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saint_moi



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: That little place where I'm meant to be.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think too many westerners here are too unable to put themselves in a koreans' position.



Nicely put.
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leeroy12



Joined: 01 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the puzzled look on my Korean students' faces when I bash out some lamentable Korean (adem dawo jagiya, salang hae, etc...) and show off my deep understanding of Kimchi and soju. I've never been to Korea, which compounds their bafflement.

In a way, I sense that they are almost dissapointed. They want to be seen as from this foreign land - unheard of by ignorant westeners.

London's more dangerous for Korean girls than western girls, apparently, as they are the potential rapist's victim of choice.

In a class activity designed to practise 2nd conditional sentences, a Korean guy had his turn...

"If I could do anything, I would a) Make the world a peaceful place, b) Give myself all the money in the world or c) Make my family happy. Everyone chose b) as his correct answer, but even before he smugly revealed the true answer I had seen it coming a mile off.

"Because Asian people always love and respect their families" he announced proudly. What he was implying was obvious, though probably lost on the rest of the (majoritively Latin American) class.

Koreans (in my experience) share similar views with Japanese and Chinese students in many respects. They see the western-style family unit(s) as dysfunctional, undisciplined and uncaring.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
ryleeys wrote:
I agree the Bush is... intellectually challenged. But I don't think Michael Moore is the be all to political analysis. He has never held or even been closely associated with political office and therefore can't have a true understanding of how the process works. Anyone can portray evidence in such a manner as to support their hypothesis... "lies, damn lies, and statistics."


Bush is the first American president to have an MBA. intellectually challenged?


Bush was a legacy admission who performed poorly academically.
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought it was more like.....

Korean female: "Wow, you can use chopsticks?"

Western male: "Would you like to go to my apartment?"

Korean female: "Wow, you can speak Korean!"

Western male: "You are so beautiful"

Korean female: "You like Korean food!"

Western male: "Do you want to go to my place?"
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Myths about Americans Reply with quote

[quote="cacheSurfer"]
kangnamdragon wrote:
quote]

I feel the same way. I'm sick of being locked into that stereotype.



What was the quote here?
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
I just ordered at Burger King. I say the entire exchange in Korean. The person behind the counter sweats and hmm-hahs trying to say everything back to me in English. At the end of the ordeal he turns to his co-worker and says in Korean (English is very hard).. grrrrr.. doesn't have to be.. I was speaking to you in Korean during the entire exchange. Oh well.. I guess he could use the practice for the next foreigner who comes in..


I wonder if the management requires them to try to speak to us in English.
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shevek



Joined: 29 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
Let's also not forget that Kerry lacks something essential in gaining political office; the common touch. Bush has got it, although not as much as Clinton, Kerry doesn't. Not one little bit. He blows Kerry away by a country mile in this regard. Kerry has no discernible human traits, and people just don't relate to the man.

I haven't watched Kerry very much and so don't know how he acts. What do you mean by the common touch? The ability to relate to average people?

This part kind of goes with the earlier post that Americans must be white. Some of the kids in my classes thought that non-Asian Americans never have the beautiful dark hair and eyes of Koreans.
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnam mafioso wrote:
Personally, I don't know how the long termers do it. I was so burned out on Korea after 2 years, despite the fact that I had a cushy university job, great girlfriend, 11 weeks of paid vacations and loved the food. The whole culture drained me and a big part of why I left was the attitude and unbelievable naivitee of the Koreans as mentioned by the poster: "Wow, you know how to use chopsticks, oh you know some korean language, oh you like the food, oh you like dating korean girls, oh you know what a jim jil bang is!" I was so sick of that crap.
My friends, in Korea you will never, ever fit in -- you will always be on the outside, an oddity, a curiosity, an alien, an unwelcome face on the subway. Accept that! You will never EVER be assimilated. I don't care if you marry a Korean girl, become fluent in the language, become an expert in Korean history and culture: In the eyes of the average Korean, because you are not Ethnic Korean, you will forever be as much the outsider as the newbie arriving in Incheon for his first hogwan job.

The unbelievable alienation in Korea is draining. Don't get me wrong -- I enjoyed a lot of aspects of the culture, and I think it would be a great place for people to visit --- not to live.


This is true. I guess what varies from one person to the next is how it's all taken. Maybe I'm a bit of a loner because I really don't give a flying #@%& whether I am accepted or not.

Sometimes, I get irked by fellow (male) posters on this board though. Phrases like, "Korean wife" or "marry a Korean girl" could easily be replaced by "Korean spouse" or "marry a Korean," and 9 times out of 10 it wouldn't change the statement or effect the inquiry one iota. Then we women on this board, whom share in the cross cultural marriage experience, would not be estranged by our male counterparts here as well as by the Koreans we face every day.

Maybe I'm too sensitive but sometimes I feel more alienated on this board than I do out on the street!
Wink
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: the Bush thing worries me.....I would hope most hate him Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
ChooChooPongPong wrote:
I just think supporting Bush means being stupid. Just my opinion. It's a bit off topic.


So you equate support of Bush with stupidity, and yet you quote Michael Moore as your political poobah. Interesting.


Yeah... Michael Moore... there's a lighthouse of intelligence! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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