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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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ED209
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| What happened? Did he claim to be drunk? |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:47 am Post subject: |
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In his defence, Hwang has denied ordering his researchers to falsify results, saying at least one of them deceived him.
He has also denied he intentionally embezzled research funds, saying that absent-mindedness was to blame for any flawed book keeping.
Same ModEdit, different day. No acceptance of any personal responsibility for embarrassing the country.
Heck-in NZ a kleptomaniac postal worker got 11 months for disruption and damage to NZPost reputation (hah!!). And I thought NZ was softer than here. |
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BoholDiver
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| If I said what I really think of this, I'd get banned from this site. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Heck-in NZ a kleptomaniac postal worker got 11 months for disruption and damage to NZPost reputation (hah!!). And I thought NZ was softer than here. |
Well, I don't know all the facts of that case, but I'm guessing that the crooked postal worker caused some pretty major inconvenciences to average NZers who depend on the postal service, what with disrupted mail and government checks, business contracts, etc not getting through.
Whereas it's debatable how many people suffered actual material harm from Hwang's fraud. Sure, the Science journal got a bit of a black eye, as did Korea's national self-image. But can any individual really say "Because of that Hwang guy, my life was made so much worse due to etc etc"?
I guess the government gave him a lot of money, which he then used to produce fake results. But that's a pretty abstract form of suffering. The Korean government isn't quite equivalent to a little old lady in Wellington who needs the postal system to deliver her pension check each month. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Don't think the government sends out cheques anymore, and any contract ought to be sent by courier...
He deserved his time in jail for being a pain. How Hwang gets no time for being an infinitely bigger pain is beyond me. It's not the money so much as how bothersome this whole period was and how much of a setback it's been for Korean science.(As if SNU Profs. warning of Fandeath isn't bad enough)
Moneywise, yeah, it's a kinda abstract argument. He appropiated funds as the government thought he was onto something. Money that could have been used for the sick.....or frittered away on a big ribbon cutting event.
My point was that no matter how soft I thought NZ courts were, Korea has well and truly trumped that (again). Hwang feels sorry, so we should understand him. The usual deal. |
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GoldMember
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I take credit for his suspended sentence. Thanks to my "going to court pajama, and wheel chair rental service" you too can avoid serious jail time.
So if anyone here has an upcoming court date, please pm me and I can supply you with pajamas and a wheel chair. Or if your crime is really serious, go for the deluxe package and get the assisted breathing apparatus. Our success rate is 99%. |
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detourne_me
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| hahaha +1 |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Cheating seems to be so normal in Korea. I still remember the Seoul Olympics when Roy Jones Jr absolutely pounded his Korean opponent, and still managed to lose on points. Also, the WC 2002 where the Korean team kicked their opponents all over the place and still didn't get any red cards (unlike the other teams).
Maybe the thought of failure is too much to take, so they resort to cheating. Or suicide. |
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rkc76sf
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Cheating seems to be so normal in Korea. I still remember the Seoul Olympics when Roy Jones Jr absolutely pounded his Korean opponent, and still managed to lose on points. Also, the WC 2002 where the Korean team kicked their opponents all over the place and still didn't get any red cards (unlike the other teams).
Maybe the thought of failure is too much to take, so they resort to cheating. Or suicide. |
That's funny, too, look where Roy Jones went and then look where that other Korean boxer ended (don't really know, other than he WASN'T a world champion fighter). Jones became probably the greatest fighter of his generation, too bad we can't see a rematch today. Everytime I think of that match it irritates me. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
Cheating seems to be so normal in Korea. I still remember the Seoul Olympics when Roy Jones Jr absolutely pounded his Korean opponent, and still managed to lose on points. Also, the WC 2002 where the Korean team kicked their opponents all over the place and still didn't get any red cards (unlike the other teams).
Maybe the thought of failure is too much to take, so they resort to cheating. Or suicide. |
That's funny, too, look where Roy Jones went and then look where that other Korean boxer ended (don't really know, other than he WASN'T a world champion fighter). Jones became probably the greatest fighter of his generation, too bad we can't see a rematch today. Everytime I think of that match it irritates me. |
Yup.
Don't forget the Korean boxer who threw a tantrum and sat down and wouldn't leave....even after they turned the lights off!!
Oh, and the full on ajoshhi tantrum that included the NZ referee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo7U62GiYzs&feature=related
(note mention made of 1984 LA, to legitimise it)
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/22/sports/the-seoul-olympics-boxing-protest-gets-ugly-after-korean-loses.html
I don't think boxing or football are sports to look for for honesty and transparency, but smugness after such results, from people just following the results, not the sport, gets me.
Remembering any of football, boxing or speed-skating prevents me from supporting Korean sport. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| rkc76sf wrote: |
That's funny, too, look where Roy Jones went and then look where that other Korean boxer ended (don't really know, other than he WASN'T a world champion fighter). Jones became probably the greatest fighter of his generation, too bad we can't see a rematch today. Everytime I think of that match it irritates me. |
Well wikipedia(wiki cites NY times) and a Korean site I went to says that the Korean figher Park Sihun apologized to Jones after the fight. I guess his integrity as a pugilist couldn't take it. Good on Park for that. The Korean judges were also suspended.
I couldn't find anything on Park's professional career but boxrec has a guy named Park Shihun so maybe it could be him. This Park has a 0-9 record so I'm not sure. Hard to imagine an Olympian would not have a single win no matter how much he sucked.
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| Remembering any of football, boxing or speed-skating prevents me from supporting Korean sport. |
Remember the Ono incident during the Salt Lake City winter Oympics? I couldn't believe the trantrum over a stupid sport nobody would care about if there wasn't a Korean involved. I went to see the US vs Poland match during the 2002 World Cup and there were Koreans rooting for Poland because of that incident. They actually had banners saying "We remember the Winter Olympics!" or something like that. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| rkc76sf wrote: |
That's funny, too, look where Roy Jones went and then look where that other Korean boxer ended (don't really know, other than he WASN'T a world champion fighter). Jones became probably the greatest fighter of his generation, too bad we can't see a rematch today. Everytime I think of that match it irritates me. |
Well wikipedia(wiki cites NY times) and a Korean site I went to says that the Korean figher Park Sihun apologized to Jones after the fight. I guess his integrity as a pugilist couldn't take it. Good on Park for that. The Korean judges were also suspended.
I couldn't find anything on Park's professional career but boxrec has a guy named Park Shihun so maybe it could be him. This Park has a 0-9 record so I'm not sure. Hard to imagine an Olympian would not have a single win no matter how much he sucked.
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| Remembering any of football, boxing or speed-skating prevents me from supporting Korean sport. |
Remember the Ono incident during the Salt Lake City winter Oympics? I couldn't believe the trantrum over a stupid sport nobody would care about if there wasn't a Korean involved. I went to see the US vs Poland match during the 2002 World Cup and there were Koreans rooting for Poland because of that incident. They actually had banners saying "We remember the Winter Olympics!" or something like that. |
Yeah, that speed-skating was embarrassing but it has to be taken as part of a larger anti-Americanism (and by extension anti-westernism) that had been fermenting since the asian financial crisis.
I would point out to students in 2002, are you happy the Korean skater threw the Korean flag on the ground???!!! Don't think I ever got an answer to that one.
Plenty of people are rankled by sporting events eg the underarm incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYwqcvdPyE
but everyone knew it was BS. Also, K-sport hysteria is quite unlike true sporting rivalry. Rivalry can only happen when you have at least some manner of knowledge and STICKABILITY from the supporters. Koreans just evaporate when their teams are doing nothing. Sport is a mere conduit for nationalism. Real fans are a lot thinner on the ground. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Koreans just evaporate when their teams are doing nothing. Sport is a mere conduit for nationalism. Real fans are a lot thinner on the ground. |
You got that right. Koreans are the epitome of fair weather fans, and it seems that they only come out for their "support" when the athlete is widely acknowledged in other countries. You got people like Yuna Kim and Hines Ward who are in sports that Koreans don't give a rat ass about but they are in commercials and have their faces plastered everywhere. People attribute their success not to the athletes' hard work and dedication, but to the fact they are Korean (or part Korean). Then you got guys like Chi Injin who was a world class boxer and the last Korean champ, yet he was constantly screwed over by the KBC with nobody really giving a damn. If he got some recognition overseas, he would have been another Korean "hero." Chi did get some shine when he went to K-1 but that shine was flickered off pretty quick when people realized he wasn't going to make any waves in K-1. |
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