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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: Korea really is that bad |
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I kept thinking while I was in Korea , is it just me or is this place really that bad?
I spent 5 days in China after I left Korea last week. I noticed that China just has a better buzz . The people are more friendly and I was included in their world. People invited me to eat noodles with them even though they didn't speak English. We just sat there smiling and enjoying our breakfast.
In Korea nobody would sit beside me on the bus. In China two pretty girls sat beside me on the airport bus and joked with me , using a guy in the other seat to translate. The girl working at Kfc invited me out for dinner and we had a great night even though it was really innocent.
I even noticed the other foreigners were more outgoing to each other. I scored a great job and I am sitting in Canada now waiting for my visa.
Korea really was boring for me and I always sometimes blamed myself but I am the same guy in China and I get treated with 100 times more respect.
If Korea sucks for you just leave as there is way better places to live. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Location: korreia
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations. I have gotten a job offer or two from China and am always wondering about what could've been. |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Goin' up the country
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, I'm used to it. You really want to get depressed, go to Hong Kong for a week and hang out around there talking to people and stuff. For extreme depression, go to City Super or one of the large grocery stores there and look at the selection of...well, everything. |
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egrog1717

Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Guys guys... Come now... The reason you are feeling this way is you have not had enough kimchi today! lol... |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Korea really is that bad |
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D.D. wrote: |
I kept thinking while I was in Korea , is it just me or is this place really that bad?
I spent 5 days in China after I left Korea last week. I noticed that China just has a better buzz . The people are more friendly and I was included in their world. People invited me to eat noodles with them even though they didn't speak English. We just sat there smiling and enjoying our breakfast.
In Korea nobody would sit beside me on the bus. In China two pretty girls sat beside me on the airport bus and joked with me , using a guy in the other seat to translate. The girl working at Kfc invited me out for dinner and we had a great night even though it was really innocent.
I even noticed the other foreigners were more outgoing to each other. I scored a great job and I am sitting in Canada now waiting for my visa.
Korea really was boring for me and I always sometimes blamed myself but I am the same guy in China and I get treated with 100 times more respect.
If Korea sucks for you just leave as there is way better places to live. |
Geez, so Korea sucked for you therefore it sucks for everybody else, eh?
Get a life. |
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Dharma_Blue

Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Korea really is that bad |
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Yaya wrote: |
D.D. wrote: |
I kept thinking while I was in Korea , is it just me or is this place really that bad?
I spent 5 days in China after I left Korea last week. I noticed that China just has a better buzz . The people are more friendly and I was included in their world. People invited me to eat noodles with them even though they didn't speak English. We just sat there smiling and enjoying our breakfast.
In Korea nobody would sit beside me on the bus. In China two pretty girls sat beside me on the airport bus and joked with me , using a guy in the other seat to translate. The girl working at Kfc invited me out for dinner and we had a great night even though it was really innocent.
I even noticed the other foreigners were more outgoing to each other. I scored a great job and I am sitting in Canada now waiting for my visa.
Korea really was boring for me and I always sometimes blamed myself but I am the same guy in China and I get treated with 100 times more respect.
If Korea sucks for you just leave as there is way better places to live. |
Geez, so Korea sucked for you therefore it sucks for everybody else, eh?
Get a life. |
Plus, how can he really make a valid comparison when he only spent five days in china  |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Korea really is that bad |
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D.D. wrote: |
I kept thinking while I was in Korea , is it just me or is this place really that bad?
I spent 5 days in China after I left Korea last week. I noticed that China just has a better buzz . The people are more friendly and I was included in their world. People invited me to eat noodles with them even though they didn't speak English. We just sat there smiling and enjoying our breakfast.
In Korea nobody would sit beside me on the bus. In China two pretty girls sat beside me on the airport bus and joked with me , using a guy in the other seat to translate. The girl working at Kfc invited me out for dinner and we had a great night even though it was really innocent.
I even noticed the other foreigners were more outgoing to each other. I scored a great job and I am sitting in Canada now waiting for my visa.
Korea really was boring for me and I always sometimes blamed myself but I am the same guy in China and I get treated with 100 times more respect.
If Korea sucks for you just leave as there is way better places to live. |
Yeah, I knew Korea had a reputation before I came here, but I had to experience it for myself, and I saw it as a "challenge."
But I've been here a year and a half and now I'm just getting tired of it. I just have not the slightest shred of envy for, or desire to emulate, the lifestyle of any single Korean person I have met. They all just seem miserably unhappy, uptight, and stifled by so many arcane rules of etiquette.
The life I've made for myself here is just fine, and I've had some great experiences that I'll never forget (not to mention lost a bunch of weight, which is nice).
But my friends are almost all foreign, I fill my time with work and hobbies that have nothing to do with being in Korea, and I'm counting down the six months left until I'm outta here. I tried Korea. It's not so bad, but it's not so good either, and I only get one life and it's about time to move on to someplace that's better for me.
I've done China before (studied Chinese in Sichuan for a year), and it was a lot of fun. It's not so different from Korea in a lot of ways, and there are a lot of inconveniences that come along with living in a less-developed country, but I just found the people nicer, more relaxed, and easier to make friends with, and that matters a lot to me. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Socially other countries are generally "better" than Korea. It's how they deal with others. Korea's a more self invested and less socially aware country. But you have to consider there are great advantages too over countries like China.
Even though you will be more welcomed in China, it's frankly... less blatant they are using you because you are white or foreigner. Sorry to say it but yes that is the case. Being white represents wealth and power in China and the novelty can be so extreme that people will want to befriend you under these premises. If you are ok with this, then China is great. And frankly, I find nothing wrong with it. BUT, some people might... this is why they are your friend.
Korea is much more frank and honestly open. Although they will lie like a pie to save face, Korea will be pretty honest. And honesty hurts a lot. Now, I've been in Korea for a year, and I've studied Chinese culture and visited there. There are good and bad faces to both. I'd probably be in the same boat as you though to be honest. I like China more. But Korea isn't THAT bad. Apples to Oranges really. |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I'm still waiting for the whole 'novelty' to wear off, but honestly, I'm still really enjoying it here in SK, and I've had basically the opposite of what the OP has experienced. That said, I've also not been here nearly as long.
For the time that I've been in Korea so far (only two months), it's been the opposite for me. I've been invited to eat food several times (usually once a week) with groups of people, or just a friend or two. People usually sit beside me on the bus. Nothing beyond that really, but that's because I'm usually sleeping/not sociable on public transportation.
I've joined the TKD club here at uni, and they've all been really welcoming to me and the two chinese girls that came, whether we all speak each others languages or not.
In general most shops have been nice to me, whether they speak Korean or English to me (mostly Korean for whatever reason. I can barely speak it and I don't look like the type who can).
As for the foreigners, some are super friendly, some aren't, just like the Koreans. I hang out with who I get along with, so that's pretty simple.
Really, the two things that bother me here are the spitting and the amount of smoking (I suppose if I was a smoker, it wouldn't matter though).
But yeah, that's just been my time here. Take it as you want, which is probably the feelings of a newbie.  |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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I don't think that Korea is that bad.
However, in my experience, when the bad stuff hits you; it HITS you and it does take a hell of a lot of goodness to bring me back to my starting mood.
I continually have a love-hate relationship with Korea. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: Re: Korea really is that bad |
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Yaya wrote: |
Geez, so Korea sucked for you therefore it sucks for everybody else, eh?
Get a life. |
What's up with these defensive replies? The guy never suggested Korea sucks for everybody. He's just saying he prefers China over Korea.
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I've done China before (studied Chinese in Sichuan for a year), and it was a lot of fun. It's not so different from Korea in a lot of ways, and there are a lot of inconveniences that come along with living in a less-developed country, but I just found the people nicer, more relaxed, and easier to make friends with, and that matters a lot to me. |
I've been reading here that the Chinese are more relaxed. I've met very few Chinese people, but you guys are challenging the stereotype I had of Chinese people. I thought they were just as uptight and depressing as Koreans and Japanese.
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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: |
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China's worse. Much worse. |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:59 am Post subject: |
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China is poorer, so that plays a factor. However, I thought the overall vibe in both Beijing and Shanghai was a lot better, maybe cuz I speak Mandarin a lot better than Korean. Maybe they liked that, but I never got that "OH MY GOD you can speak our amazing and special language" from the Chinese though, a few fake compliments here and there but nothing fawning or terribly artificial.
Customer service is pretty bad in China, however, but I don't really care about that. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Korea really is that bad |
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Dharma_Blue wrote: |
Plus, how can he really make a valid comparison when he only spent five days in china  |
True. However I still don't remember thinking of my first 5 days in Korea as awesome, there was no rose-tinted honeymoon.
My initial impressions were much the same as now, overall- "these people stare at me like I'm an alien and they don't seem to be happy".
My initial 5 days in China produced the impression "These people don't speak a lick of English, they are trying to scam me, and they're incredibly rude.".
Ultimately if you're more into having fun than having money saved, then you might as well teach in virtually any country other than Korea. |
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beercanman
Joined: 16 May 2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Korea really is that bad |
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fermentation wrote: |
I've been reading here that the Chinese are more relaxed. I've met very few Chinese people, but you guys are challenging the stereotype I had of Chinese people. I thought they were just as uptight and depressing as Koreans and Japanese. |
It is hard to generalize but there is a different vibe. Don't forget how large China is, how massive its population.
Generally the Chinese seem pretty easygoing to me. Their cities are crowded and full of hustle and bustle, yet individually most of them seem not all that stressed out, as far as I know anyway.
As always, specific location and job are of extreme importance. |
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