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mises
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bigverne
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| And I've never heard of lefties demanding that we let more in - that we need more immigrants because we need more diversity. This is bollocks. |
Your bible, the Guardian, has been running with the 'diversity is our strength' line for the last 10 years in response to any call to tighten immigration policy. |
The Guardian does (and always has) run opinions I do not agree with. It employs writers of various opinions, and some of them do not even agree with each other.
Isn't that a surprise? |
But the overwhelming bias of the Guardian is of a paper that constantly prattles on about the wonders of 'diversity', slams any criticism of mass immigration and multiculturalism as 'racism', and gives constant editorial space to Muslims with very dubious 'moderate' credentials while offering little criticism of said religion. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| I'd like to see more stats on it, but it does seem a point that I've heard regularly pointed out over the years - that the perception is that leftwing governments allow more immigration when it is in fact the opposite. It's certainly been true of Australia in recent decades. |
Well, under the Labour government in the UK over the last 10 years, Britain has experienced the highest level of inward immigration in its history. However, I hold out little hope that the Conservatives, who seem loath to mention anything about immigration for fear of being labelled 'right-wing' will do anything about it, despite the fact that it is one of the key concerns for people in the country. |
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Reggie
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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 Thanks for the links. I didn't realize there were so many white guys outraged at the black British singer Seal for making babies with Heidi Klum. If that's what he wants, shouldn't we be happy for the guy? I'm happy for him and it's not like he isn't paying way more than his fair share of taxes while whites flush the British economy down the toilet like it's 1976 again with no North Sea oil boom to save the British economy this time around. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| And I've never heard of lefties demanding that we let more in - that we need more immigrants because we need more diversity. This is bollocks. |
Your bible, the Guardian, has been running with the 'diversity is our strength' line for the last 10 years in response to any call to tighten immigration policy. |
The Guardian does (and always has) run opinions I do not agree with. It employs writers of various opinions, and some of them do not even agree with each other.
Isn't that a surprise? |
But the overwhelming bias of the Guardian is of a paper that constantly prattles on about the wonders of 'diversity', slams any criticism of mass immigration and multiculturalism as 'racism', and gives constant editorial space to Muslims with very dubious 'moderate' credentials while offering little criticism of said religion. |
Is it indeed? I've not read the articles that 'prattle on about diversity' or 'slam any criticism of mass immigration and mulitculturalism as racism' - though I suspect Gary Younge may write such stuff. If that's the raison d'etre of The Guardian, I suspect you've been reading it far more than I have then.  You certainly have a fascination with it. Perhaps you're like a preacher with his secret stash of porn, excitedly scanning the Guardian for such stuff, while ranting about its perniciousness. Me, I mostly read it for international news, because the hard copy Murdoch owned newspaper I buy every morning has its own very selective view of the world, and I like to get another view to maintain a fuller picture - and I have to say the writers at the Guardian generally have an ethical view point that fits better with my own feelings about what's right and wrong - though not always. Occasionally I read the domestic news if a headline is very eye-catching, the science technology section, or perhaps the odd interview with Robbie Williams. Great paper, that old Manchester Guardian.
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to see more stats on it, but it does seem a point that I've heard regularly pointed out over the years - that the perception is that leftwing governments allow more immigration when it is in fact the opposite. It's certainly been true of Australia in recent decades. |
Well, under the Labour government in the UK over the last 10 years, Britain has experienced the highest level of inward immigration in its history. However, I hold out little hope that the Conservatives, who seem loath to mention anything about immigration for fear of being labelled 'right-wing' will do anything about it, despite the fact that it is one of the key concerns for people in the country. |
But isn't that mostly due to the enlargement of the EU, which saw millions of Eastern Europeans flocking to the UK for a few years. Do you have a break down of the stats? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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No wonder you are acquainted with him. |
Yes, no wonder. Though I'm only with him on this one issue. He's against gay marriage etc and loves the wars. I'm against both attacking and importing the third world. I want to leave them alone. They have their own path.
Here's a great vid of Steyn. Sums him up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdEGJb5W5ks
He got me with one quote from America Alone:
Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism. Pick any two.
He's from Canada but speaks with an odd quasi-English accent and now lives in NH. Odd, but so it goes. |
He sounds like he's spent a bit of time in the South (of England). He's certainly an anglophile. He's also a bit of a dumbass with plenty of fallacious arguments - stuff along the lines of "how can someone be for multiculturialism but not be able to list the primary exports of Nepal?" and he looks like he has a very sycophantic audience of thickies to boot.
I liked watching this clip about his views on the undead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OgTxdP9xa4&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-HM |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to see more stats on it, but it does seem a point that I've heard regularly pointed out over the years - that the perception is that leftwing governments allow more immigration when it is in fact the opposite. It's certainly been true of Australia in recent decades. |
Well, under the Labour government in the UK over the last 10 years, Britain has experienced the highest level of inward immigration in its history. However, I hold out little hope that the Conservatives, who seem loath to mention anything about immigration for fear of being labelled 'right-wing' will do anything about it, despite the fact that it is one of the key concerns for people in the country. |
But isn't that mostly due to the enlargement of the EU, which saw millions of Eastern Europeans flocking to the UK for a few years. Do you have a break down of the stats? |
Although EU immigration from the new accession states (which we were under no obligation to take in so quickly) did indeed add significantly to numbers, the majority (around two thirds) of immigration over this period came from outside the EU, largely from Africa and the subcontinent. Why such immigration is allowed to continue is anyone's guess. |
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