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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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| No, I completely disagree with you. Most Joyce scholars are not, in fact, Irish. I personally know at least 30 Korean Joyce scholars. Add to that the interest in Joyce studies in France, the US, Canada, England, Italy, Japan, and the Czech Rep, to name a few, and you can clearly acknowledge that Joyce scholarship has gained the international following it has because people from all over the world are interested in his work. |
Molly, none of those scholars are earning six figures based on giving lectures about Joyce and his works. And if there is one - he's Irish - trust me! 
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| It would make sense, if one were to commit to studying Joyce properly, to go to Ireland to experience not only the country he devoted his life writing about, but because the best scholars work there. |
I actually don't think there is anything wrong with going to Ireland and doing a post graduate course at Trinity on Joyce - it is something you love and thus the money is well spent, you will also get to live In Dublin which will clear away any romanticized notions about the Ireland and the Irish.
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| However, not all the professors in Irish universities are, in fact, Irish. |
Whoever said that wasn't the case - how cute for you to let me on this fantastic secret when I possess Irish citizenship and can get there for a tenner and you? Let us in on how many times you have been there again?
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| Actually, if you want to talk about Joyce and alternate environs, Switzerland, France, and Italy are important in his writing process since he only returned to his country twice after leaving in the early 20th century. The milieus of those places in the 1910s-30s was very instrumental in his artistic development, and thus, have gained a large academic following. |
But he wrote about his experience of Dublin, about being Roman Catholic and working class during and after independence from Britian. So he wrote his books on a sun kissed Trieste beach. So what?
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| It's rather foolish, and ignorant, of you to make the aforementioned claim. In fact, one of the wonderful things about scholarship in general is that a person of any sex, race, religion, ethnicity, etc. may study something outside their realm of comfort. Who wants to hear a rich man boast about being rich? Not me. I'd rather hear the story of how a poor man became that rich man. |
I think you are very ignorant (but typically American ) to think you can tell me - an Irishman through my father who came to England to pave the M1 motorway about what you can achieve with a post graduate degree from Trinity. Your estimated six figure salary is bullshit! You also know and I also know that an American is NEVER going to command that kind of figure giving lectures on Joyce. How old are you by the way? That might explain the 'pie in the sky' crap. 
The Republic of Ireland is going through a lot of changes at this moment in time. The Irish can be very insular and tribal despite what you THINK you know - they have their prejudices and they hold them deep - if you are Dubliner, Culchie, Traveller, Irish born in England, Irish born in the six counties, Irish born in the United States and now you have new Irishmen and women who are originally from places like Nigeria - there will be someone telling to feck off back to (insert town, city or country here) ya (insert insult) It's an expensive place, third world attitudes and living conditions still exist in some places and you know what - There is a reason Joyce ands my old man got the hell out of there and many still do to this day.
My old man always says 'There is nothing that can be seperated between an Englishman and an Irishman that wouldn't require a blowtorch' Eammon de Valera would be turning in his grave to hear that - but he was an American too! |
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mongolian spot
Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| neil537 wrote: |
good to see this thread is sticking to its original title........... 
I use a program called FilmOnTV (google it)It gets all major UK channels and the quality is excellent. I think you are supposed to pay subscription but I just skip the sign-in when I start it up and it works fine....I never watch it for very long though, maybe if you were watching for hours you might have to pay money. |
I take it you mean BBC1/BBC2 / ITV/ Channel 4 and 5.
English TV is terrible.......the same old rubbish soaps and crappy reality TV over and over again.
I suppose it's ok if you don't pay for it as you do!  |
The office, Life on Mars, Pop Idol, X factor, Britains got talent, Im a celebrity, Kitchen nightmares, Come dancing, ....Rubbish they may be but all were bought from the brits and now dominate US/World TV |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Molly I've lived in Dublin. I can tell you this for certain. Dublin is a great city to live in. It will make you fall more in love with the Irish and Ireland. If you don't have a good time in Dublin then you just don't know how to have a good time.
I agree with your perspective on academia. Any person who makes a well thought out, well researched, and interesting argument gets respect in any field. Country of origin, race, sex, height, marital status - these things don't matter. I studied with a prof who was from West Virginia and studied Foucault. She was the smartest person I have ever meet in person and EVERYONE respected her opinion. Being from West Virginia did make anyone question her ability to understand, study, write or lecture on a French philosopher. Anyone who think something like that makes a difference doesn't know what they are talking about. |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| [quote="AmericanExile"]Molly I've lived in Dublin. I can tell you this for certain. Dublin is a great city to live in. It will make you fall more in love with the Irish and Ireland. If you don't have a good time in Dublin then you just don't know how to have a good time. |
Where did you live mate? My family are from Finglas via Co Roscommon and they lived in terrible poverty right up until the 1980s and even today -like any city you care to mention - has its social-economic problems. Dublin and the Republic of Ireland is coming to terms with a changing society and it is unfair to paint the place as some Irish-American wet dream. Again - the Irish are a very tribal people - anyone who says otherwise knows nothing about the Irish.
And that certainly goes for any two bob American who thinks he's Irish because he great-great grandad got the boat from Cork to Ellis Island and lived in Dublin for a bit.
Molly, will meet some great people there and she will meet some complete tossers - just like anywhere else in the world.
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| I agree with your perspective on academia. Any person who makes a well thought out, well researched, and interesting argument gets respect in any field. Country of origin, race, sex, height, marital status - these things don't matter. I studied with a prof who was from West Virginia and studied Foucault. She was the smartest person I have ever meet in person and EVERYONE respected her opinion. Being from West Virginia did make anyone question her ability to understand, study, write or lecture on a French philosopher. Anyone who think something like that makes a difference doesn't know what they are talking about. |
One question - all you have got to do is answer it.
Has Molly Bloom got a cat in hells chance of making a six figure sum by giving lectures about Joyce?
She might become a leading authority on Joyce but she won't be making her fortune on the back of it. Thanks for playing.
Here we go: A rather nice picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/carsten_koegler/154274583/sizes/l/ |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bog Roll wrote: |
She might become a leading authority on Joyce but she won't be making her fortune on the back of it. |
I guess the difference in this discussion is that I am currently involved in Joyce scholarship, so I'm speaking from experience and acknowledging common fact. You obviously aren't involved in Joyce scholarship, or else you would agree with me on simple matters. He's not your area of expertise, and that's fine, however, it's is my area, so I am entitled to speak from experience.
Don't be foolish to think that by six figures I mean $150,000-$200,000 a year. However, as I have said, between tenure, publishing, and speaking, not to mention other odd tasks, it's really fairly easy to make at least $100,000. You are entitled to your opinion, but that's all it really is. |
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