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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: Council bans parents from play areas |
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Only council-vetted "play rangers" are now allowed to monitor youngsters in two adventure areas in Watford while parents must watch from outside a perimeter fence.
The Watford Borough Council policy has been attacked as insulting and a disgrace by furious relatives who say they are being labelled as potential paedophiles.
It will further fuel concerns over a growing nanny state amid the deepening row over the Government's new national anti-paedophile database.
That will see at least 11 million adults have to be vetted to work with children or vulnerable adults, including parents who give officials lifts to and from social or sports clubs.
Councillors in Watford claim they are only following Government guidelines and cannot allow adults to walk around playgrounds "unchecked".
But Osfted dismissed the ban while parents branded it "a joke".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6453268/Council-bans-parents-from-play-areas.html |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: |
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In her Columbia Law Review article, The Perverse Law of Child Pornography,
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| Child pornography law has turned every man, woman, and child in America into a vile, pustulating pedophile. |
This apparently is the equivalent in Britain where the child sex abuse witchhunt is as bad or worse than in the US.
Public policy is being made on a mass psychotic lie. I highly recommend reading The Political Use and Abuse of the "Pedophile" from the Journal of Homosexuality. From the abstract:
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| The cognitive/affective construct designated by the term pedophile is delineated on the basis of how he is presented in the popular media. His salient characteristics are listed and then examined in the light of scientific and historical data. The pedophile is discovered to be a social construct that floats in the thin air of fantasy. Since the truth-value of the construct pedophile approaches zero, we are confronted with the question of why he continues to be such a central and emotionally fraught aspect of American culture. The answer to this question is found in his political usefulness. Specifically, the religious right uses him to further its agenda of sexual repression, and the political right uses him to dismantle the machinery of a free society. |
The council's action may actually be a good sign. Typically, witch hunts do not end until they have tainted just about everyone. Now that all parents are suspects, we may be nearing that point. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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If public play areas are such dangerous places that they need to be fenced in and barred to the majority of the adult population, why even have public play areas?
Also, how long will it be before parents aren't allowed to set foot on public school grounds? It's the same thing after all: an area where large numbers of children regularly congregate. How is it any less tempting to a pedophile than a playground? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| The council's action may actually be a good sign. Typically, witch hunts do not end until they have tainted just about everyone. Now that all parents are suspects, we may be nearing that point. |
We can hope, but that's not how it went down with the racism witch hunt. Every white person being tainted as at the very least a closet racist was just the start, rather than the beginning of the end. Now we get things like "racial sensitivity training" where we're expected to read things that demand we accept that we're racist, admit that we're racist, and try to fight our natural racist tendencies.
Honestly, I feel like the sex crimes witch hunt is moving in the same direction. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The council's action may actually be a good sign. Typically, witch hunts do not end until they have tainted just about everyone. Now that all parents are suspects, we may be nearing that point. |
We can hope, but that's not how it went down with the racism witch hunt. Every white person being tainted as at the very least a closet racist was just the start, rather than the beginning of the end. Now we get things like "racial sensitivity training" where we're expected to read things that demand we accept that we're racist, admit that we're racist, and try to fight our natural racist tendencies. |
Bennington College Professor Gladden Schrock has called the current child sex abuse witch hunt the third and by far greatest in American history, the first being the protoypical one in Salem in 1691, and the second the McCarthy Communist witch hunt of the 1950's. I am not exactly sure what you are referring to by the "racism witch hunt," but has it something to do with any criticism by a white person of anyone black as subject to the racism epithet?
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| Honestly, I feel like the sex crimes witch hunt is moving in the same direction. |
Do you mean that all men are going to have to admit to being potential rapists/pedophiles? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| The council's action may actually be a good sign. Typically, witch hunts do not end until they have tainted just about everyone. Now that all parents are suspects, we may be nearing that point. |
We can hope, but that's not how it went down with the racism witch hunt. Every white person being tainted as at the very least a closet racist was just the start, rather than the beginning of the end. Now we get things like "racial sensitivity training" where we're expected to read things that demand we accept that we're racist, admit that we're racist, and try to fight our natural racist tendencies. |
Bennington College Professor Gladden Schrock has called the current child sex abuse witch hunt the third and by far greatest in American history, the first being the protoypical one in Salem in 1691, and the second the McCarthy Communist witch hunt of the 1950's. I am not exactly sure what you are referring to by the "racism witch hunt," but has it something to do with any criticism by a white person of anyone black as subject to the racism epithet? |
Well, I very much feel like in America, a racism witch hunt has been occuring for quite some time now among the white population. Whites criticizing blacks being interpretted as racism is one symptom -- and system of perpetuation -- of that witch hunt. When a white man is accused of racism, the expected response is either apology of proof of innocence, rather than the accuser being expected to prove his guilt. It's terrible.
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| Honestly, I feel like the sex crimes witch hunt is moving in the same direction. |
Do you mean that all men are going to have to admit to being potential rapists/pedophiles? |
Yes. I hope it will never get that far, but it certainly seems possible. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Well, I very much feel like in America, a racism witch hunt has been occuring for quite some time now among the white population. Whites criticizing blacks being interpretted as racism is one symptom -- and system of perpetuation -- of that witch hunt. When a white man is accused of racism, the expected response is either apology of proof of innocence, rather than the accuser being expected to prove his guilt. It's terrible. |
I'll buy that. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Good Lord, I so don't want to go back.
Seems it will only be a matter of time until we're all locked in '24 hour safe designated existence' areas taking Soma and watched over by Muslim attendants who'll decide whether we're having 'acceptable' or 'unacceptable' thoughts.... |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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We have to be pretty near the technology that would allow robots to rear our young until age 18 so we could protect them from any potential pedophiles, because after all, nothing could be worse than that, right?
The only people who would oppose such a wonderful solution to such a horrible problem are perverts, right?
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Council bans parents from play areas |
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| mises wrote: |
Where, but in the UK:
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Only council-vetted "play rangers" are now allowed to monitor youngsters in two adventure areas in Watford while parents must watch from outside a perimeter fence.
The Watford Borough Council policy has been attacked as insulting and a disgrace by furious relatives who say they are being labelled as potential paedophiles.
It will further fuel concerns over a growing nanny state amid the deepening row over the Government's new national anti-paedophile database.
That will see at least 11 million adults have to be vetted to work with children or vulnerable adults, including parents who give officials lifts to and from social or sports clubs.
Councillors in Watford claim they are only following Government guidelines and cannot allow adults to walk around playgrounds "unchecked".
But Osfted dismissed the ban while parents branded it "a joke".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6453268/Council-bans-parents-from-play-areas.html |
I'm not sure this is so bad.
There is a big adventure playground. Absolutely fantastic - so many different things for the kids to play on. It's about an hour on public transport from where I live, which is not so bad, but we don't go there much.
There is no security fence. There is a big road nearby. Anyone can walk around there, and there are always plenty of people hanging around.
If I have one kid, its OK, I just follow him constantly with my eyes, and stay several metres from him while he does his wild crazy thing. But if I have both, they both run around in seperate directions, and I cannot keep track of them both. Several times I have felt a terrible panic as for several minutes I hunted around for one or both of them (the other inevitably gets lost while you are searching for his brother). Thinking - has he run on the road? (mild terror) Has he been snatched? (sick sick feeling) Has he just simply meandered behind trees, cars, toward the cafe, toward the river? Oh please, not the river! And not the road!! Also dogs wander around, and some people are just not responsible as pet owners. My two year old has no sense and would probably just run up to a dog and whack him on the nose or something.
And so, unless I have a grandparent or co-parent to help (and then we supervise a child each), I no longer take my kids to their favourite park. We go to a few crap parks that just have a swing and slide, but not many people and easy to keep track of them both.
But if I could take my kids to that park, and let them through a fence where they were supervised by qualified/vetted adults, I would go often. I could sit and enjoy some rare moments of solitude, perhaps read, or just simply enjoy being lost in my thoughts (without the constant "Mummy Mummy!"), and always be able to glance over at my kids playing in a safe and enclosed environment. Perhaps even chat with a good friend on my phone, as I watched my precious little boys run around and have some fun. A little break from the constant mayhem. Oh what bliss!
Christ, the more I think of it, it's a f###ing brilliant idea! |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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BB: No one is saying that, as a harried parent, you are not entitled to childminding/babysitting help. What is repugnant is the idea that all parents are considered suspects unless proven otherwise.
If those child minders were there, and you were allowed into the area, wouldn't your children be even safer? And if even you are not able to keep constant tabs on your own two kids, how will the limited number of these qualified/vetted people be able to constantly mind dozens of kids? What is the ratio of kids to minders? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Christ, the more I think of it, it's a f###ing brilliant idea! |
Civil society replaced by the civil service? We'll never agree. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, how long will it be before parents aren't allowed to set foot on public school grounds? It's the same thing after all: an area where large numbers of children regularly congregate. How is it any less tempting to a pedophile than a playground? |
Actually not that long. I read an article about how a school in my country decided not to allow parents to attend sports day as they feared that they could not monitor who entered thier school. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
| Good Lord, I so don't want to go back |
That's one reason I came here. |
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