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my wife doesn't matter because she isn't my blood
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freethought



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: my wife doesn't matter because she isn't my blood Reply with quote

had a class last night with some professionals and we were going through various scenarios.

I presented them with the scenario that there are two bridges that are about to collapse, one has their wife and the other has their child. They only have enough time to save one. The scenario then escalates, by making the wife pregnant, more kids on the other bridge, etc.

Invariably these professionals (all male) offered the reason that they would not save their wife because they don't share common blood. One of them was torn as to whether to save a single child or his pregnant wife, with the reason being that the pregnancy shared his blood.

Anyone else find this to be totally messed up?
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UrbanStyle



Joined: 23 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats really messed up is that you created this scenario and decided to use it in class making them choose to save their child or wife. Just SICK!
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha. That's what I was going to say.

Man, you asked the question....
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Sooke



Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would likely choose my children over my wife as well. Not b/c of 'blood' but b/c they're my children. I would hope that my wife would choose my children too, if presented with the same situation.

What's the right answer? (the one you were looking for that wouldn't be messed up?)
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP must be a wingnut walking into a classroom and teaching this stuff. In addition he exacerbates things by getting worked up over their responses. Rolling Eyes
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Trinidad



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Gwangjuboy, your avatar SUCKS! Haven't you read TOS?

100X100 only!
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trinidad wrote:
Hey Gwangjuboy, your avatar SUCKS! Haven't you read TOS?

100X100 only!


Is irony beyond you? It's a good laugh man.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a cold hearted bastard....so...depends on how well the wife or kids and I are getting along as to who I will save! If I know that I could never ever meet/hook up with a woman like the one I have....well kids....I brought your azz into this world, I'll take it out!
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooke wrote:
I would likely choose my children over my wife as well. Not b/c of 'blood' but b/c they're my children. I would hope that my wife would choose my children too, if presented with the same situation.

What's the right answer? (the one you were looking for that wouldn't be messed up?)


I think the answer he was looking for is "I'd save my kids because I JUST LOVE THEM SO MUCH."
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, in Korea people are more aware and conscious of the "real" genetic meaning of life.

The rat race to provide money and education for kids, frequent cheating, finding the best husband, competition among kids and adults, etc... It's all heavily intertwined into our nature for proliferation of our genetic code. In Korea, it's much more obvious and people are much more aware of it than in the west. I theorize it's because Koreans have a stronger instinctual drive. Maybe it comes from Genghis? I don't know, but whatever it is, Koreans are fierce genetic competitors.

The idea is that, when we have children we pass on half our genetic code, yes the other half matters of that child, but not so much, as that she is only a carrier of our own genetic code. Now this is very unromantic but in the eyes view of Korean men, they could just find another mother. But for the child, it's their own part of their genetic lineage. They have to continue it for what is technically... their own survival. Survival of their bloodline.

For myself, I might make the same choice, but I would choose a child over an Adult. Not because it's my own blood. If my own wife choose to save our child, I'd understand. If she choose me instead of our child, I think there might be something wrong with her...
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
Actually, in Korea people are more aware and conscious of the "real" genetic meaning of life.

The rat race to provide money and education for kids, frequent cheating, finding the best husband, competition among kids and adults, etc... It's all heavily intertwined into our nature for proliferation of our genetic code. In Korea, it's much more obvious and people are much more aware of it than in the west. I theorize it's because Koreans have a stronger instinctual drive. Maybe it comes from Genghis? I don't know, but whatever it is, Koreans are fierce genetic competitors.

The idea is that, when we have children we pass on half our genetic code, yes the other half matters of that child, but not so much, as that she is only a carrier of our own genetic code. Now this is very unromantic but in the eyes view of Korean men, they could just find another mother. But for the child, it's their own part of their genetic lineage. They have to continue it for what is technically... their own survival. Survival of their bloodline.

For myself, I might make the same choice, but I would choose a child over an Adult. Not because it's my own blood. If my own wife choose to save our child, I'd understand. If she choose me instead of our child, I think there might be something wrong with her...


Richard Dawkins has described this in most of his books. Might as well add another bridge full of cousins, there is a theoretical ration that would make it rational to say save 1 child, 4 cousins once removed, 16 cousins twice removed and so on (the numbers may be different). Of course a bridge with 16 cousins is so much more likely to collapse than one with a single child on it Rolling Eyes

The best solution would be to ask the wife on bridge 1, because I think that there is a better than 50% chance that she will want you to save the child. If the roles were reversed, you'd already be dead Crying or Very sad That's how women work Wink

There are also many reasons why you would not save the wife even if the child would already be off bridge #2 Twisted Evil
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Forward Observer



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a book on Scribd.com called "The Book of Questions" that has a lot of similar questions in it. Some are actually really good for conversation classes. I've used them a bit from time to time when the students are getting bored with lessons.
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steveinincheon



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the choice was between child or pregnant wife, I would guess it would depend on whether the child was a first born male or not.
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveinincheon wrote:
If the choice was between child or pregnant wife, I would guess it would depend on whether the child was a first born male or not.


lol
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sooke wrote:
I would likely choose my children over my wife as well. Not b/c of 'blood' but b/c they're my children. I would hope that my wife would choose my children too, if presented with the same situation.

What's the right answer? (the one you were looking for that wouldn't be messed up?)



This. Nothing like presenting a situation where no matter the answer it's "messed up" and then using that to justify or further an agenda.
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