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Why don't they wise-up and get garbage cans?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:13 pm    Post subject: Why don't they wise-up and get garbage cans? Reply with quote

Why don't Koreans, or the Korean government wise-up and put garbage cans out to hold the garbage, instead of letting cats/dogs tear it apart and blow all over? I'm walking through the subway, and they're taking a poll on what foriegners think of Korea, and what could be done to improve it.

Looks better. Smells better. Easier to pick up.

It seems so darn obvious.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure, but I think they are supposed to use garbage bins for food waste. You've probably seen those containers near restaurants. However, not all places do, hence why I'm clueless.

The reason they don't use them in general is because of the system. You're suppused to use those expensive bags because they pay for the garbage removal in the district.

The system stinks, literally. (where do I come up with such puns?)

They should just collect more taxes. 3.5% is nothing. I don't know how they do anything on that.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, 3.5% is nothing, but have you seen the size of the government surplus here? It's like in the billions of dollars per month range. That's how the government here works.


DUBYA! YOU LISTENING?!?!
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Why don't they wise-up and get garbage cans? Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Why don't Koreans, or the Korean government wise-up and put garbage cans out to hold the garbage, instead of letting cats/dogs tear it apart and blow all over? I'm walking through the subway, and they're taking a poll on what foriegners think of Korea, and what could be done to improve it.

Looks better. Smells better. Easier to pick up.

It seems so darn obvious.

Garbage cans would spend most of the time empty and it would drive everyone crazy seeing cans empty all day long. They would start filling them up with kimchee or turning them into seats, toilets, houses, etc.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the USA, we have to pay the local city for leaf/lawn clipping bags.

And we also put bags in the garbage cans (although those are just store-bought).

It wouldn't be hard for the city to sell those bags too. The lawn bags can be purchased at the local grocery store.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
Yeah, 3.5% is nothing, but have you seen the size of the government surplus here? It's like in the billions of dollars per month range. That's how the government here works.


DUBYA! YOU LISTENING?!?!


Much easier when you don't have a good infrastructure system to pay for.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, I see alot of public works and infrastructure projects in Korea. I'm not saying that the US could ever get by on a 3.5% tax rate... but surely the economy could actually afford the Bush tax cuts if the budget was at least balanced.

Bush and Rapier seem to have the same philosophy when it comes to spending and borrowing money...
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Juggertha



Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
In the USA, we have to pay the local city for leaf/lawn clipping bags.

And we also put bags in the garbage cans (although those are just store-bought).

It wouldn't be hard for the city to sell those bags too. The lawn bags can be purchased at the local grocery store.


personally i'm glad not to have all those added costs of living in N America. I like hte fact I don't have a tax for every conceivable item.
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay. They don't have garbage cans because they're cheap bastards! They would rather have hundreds of little bags lying around in the street than pay 15,000W for a plastic bin.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juggertha wrote:
Derrek wrote:
In the USA, we have to pay the local city for leaf/lawn clipping bags.

And we also put bags in the garbage cans (although those are just store-bought).

It wouldn't be hard for the city to sell those bags too. The lawn bags can be purchased at the local grocery store.


personally i'm glad not to have all those added costs of living in N America. I like hte fact I don't have a tax for every conceivable item.


Agreed. But I'm just talking about one thing here: Garbage and making Korea look better (at least Seoul).

But some of you here need to realize it's not all about "bushie" as far as tax goes. Liberals are the ones known as the "tax and spend" types -- and Congress is often the one to blame for pork-barrell legislation. Both sides of it.
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dominic



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: derrick Reply with quote

I agree, nova scotia, where im from, the prov. government "forced" everyone to buy recycling bins and cans, big green things, picked up every two weeks. Everyone had to buy one, if they said no, it came off their tax return. that was 6 years ago, these days, nova scotia is the bench mark for many canadian and US cities for recycling and ideas to keep the city clean.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I dunno, I see alot of public works and infrastructure projects in Korea. I'm not saying that the US could ever get by on a 3.5% tax rate... but surely the economy could actually afford the Bush tax cuts if the budget was at least balanced.


While the personal income tax is lower, you have an 11% sales tax on everything (10% of the retail price is tax) as well as numerous specific taxes. Fuel taxes, for example, in Korea totals $3 a gallon. You are taxed on the size of your car. You are taxed heavily if you own a second residence. Etc.

Taxation in Korea is much more focused on when the person spends their money than when they earn it. At the end of the day, nearly 20% of the money earned by Koreans ends up collected in national taxes which is close to what us Canadians pay in national taxes.
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Plastic B



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Daejeon no more

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a fan of the green garbage bag system. You pay per bag, so it's a user pays system. In Australia you pay the same rate for garbage collection as the guy next door, regardless of actual service use. It makes a lot of sense if you are economical with your refuse and try to avoid disposable packaging, which is a little difficult here as most things are triple packed...
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also like the garbage bag system because it encourages recycling. But you'd think that they could have dumpsters or bins instead of heaps for us to put the bags in once we're ready to take them out.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of like the way old/retired people help the community by being paid to collect litter .... however there is usually an unsightly waiting period whereby rubbish just blows around the streets before some ajumma nabs it.
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