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yingwenlaoshi
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 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:38 am Post subject: Why would an F2 want this job? |
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1. Native English Teacher for F2 VISA holder
A. Description
(1) Teaching Level : Elementary School
(2) Job Location : Sadang,in Seoul
(3) Job Type : Full-time
(4) Starting Date : Novemver 2009
(5) Application Deadline : October 30, 2009 (in case of vacant positions, documents are accepted after deadline)
B.Working Condition
(1) Contract period : One year contract
(2) Work Hours : Monday-Friday, 13:00 ~ 20:00
(3) Monthly Salary : 2.2 million KRW
C.Benefits:
(1) Housing Allowance : 500,000 KRW
(2) Insurance : Medical insurance (50%) & National pension (50%).
(3) Severance pay : One-month salary after completion of a one-year contract.
2.2 for a full-time job? For an F2? This isn't the first job I've seen like this. I must wonder if the people offering these types of positions live in the land of sugar plums and lolipops.
Boggles the mind. 1 to 8 pm? My first job in Korea paid this back in 2005 and the hours were similar. And I was only entered on an E2. Are some F2s really taking jobs like this? If so, WHY?!? |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| An F2 can also walk away after a bit. If it were minimal prep and you had a couple of PT gigs and own housing the full 2.7 could be convenient. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
| An F2 can also walk away after a bit. If it were minimal prep and you had a couple of PT gigs and own housing the full 2.7 could be convenient. |
It's still dangerous for them to sign a contract like this, and then be faced with the repercussions of "walking".
Even without a contract, any self respecting F visa holder could ask for 50 and hour, do three hours a day, and make more than the total of this crappy contract. As well, they should, becuase they allieviate the school of the burden of airfare, housing, not to mention VISA SPONSORSHIP. Of course, if they really want all those "perks", I guess it's possible to rationalize selling yourself short.
I don't get it either Ying, all I can say is there must be some dolt F2s, or the school is fishing for non-degree holding F4s that they can "handle". |
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Some of the Mothers Said
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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None that I know. The only F2's that I know of who are working in the Public school system are all getting over 3.5. An F2 might take it on if they have a morning gig, and they're just wanting some extra coin for a couple of months to cover a few lost privates.
What halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote is reasonable, especially if the job is close to home. With four privates a week, and this gig, and F2 could expect to bring in around 4million a month, which ain't so bad, although I agree with yingwenlaoshi and Netz. It's not that appealing. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Some of the Mothers Said wrote: |
None that I know. The only F2's that I know of who are working in the Public school system are all getting over 3.5. An F2 might take it on if they have a morning gig, and they're just wanting some extra coin for a couple of months to cover a few lost privates.
What halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote is reasonable, especially if the job is close to home. With four privates a week, and this gig, and F2 could expect to bring in around 4million a month, which ain't so bad, although I agree with yingwenlaoshi and Netz. It's not that appealing. |
Cheers~
There are no repercussions from following a contract. You give appropiate notice. That is all. You are still in-country (ie non sponsored by school).
Basically though, schools may have their particular wishlists, doesn't mean they can get what they want. I wouldn't go back to public schools in Korea but I would certainly want a bit more than 2.2.
E2/F2....I had to remind my handler that the school were not my sponsor and I was quite prepared to walk anytime I saw fit. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| If your an F visa working for a public school. You can't do any privates or get another job at a hagwon. Against the rules. Though you can work at another public school if you want. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:59 am Post subject: |
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The contract is designed for an E2 (or supposed civil servant)
On an F2 just keep your business to yourself and find appropiate excuses for any clash
eg if there is a school dinner, say you have a family "Jaesa" (Memorial Service). I don't advocate the across the board staying away from steak/raw fish and drinks dinners. It's part of the deal kinda sorta. It does make for opps to talk to teachers more informally. Just have to stay about breath shot of the more tedious ones. |
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Some of the Mothers Said
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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| winterfall wrote: |
| If your an F visa working for a public school. You can't do any privates or get another job at a hagwon. Against the rules. Though you can work at another public school if you want. |
Sorry, but you may be mistaken. An F2 can apply for a "Tutors" license, which enables her or him to work privates legally, as long as it's written down the places where the F2 works, and or (if they work from home) the money paid. This is simply for tax reasons.
You are correct in saying that an F visa cannot work another job IF it's stated in the contract. Most contracts have been written for E2's, however it is quite easy to have this clause removed from the contract.
Alternatively, if the school won't amend the contract, the F2 can ask the principal of the school for permission to work another job, or privates. This is always sorted out before the contract is signed anyhow.
However, winterfall your comments also underline the fact the Immigration laws here tend to be, well, flexible to say the least. All F2's should ask for advice directly from their relevant immigration office, and then seek another opinion from a different one. The answer lays somewhere in the middle I guess. However if things have changed, please let me know, as I need to stay abreast of any changes.
halfmanhalfbiscuit shows experience in this matter, and the comments are very good. I recall when I first landed my F2 stamp, my minder at school showed me the amount of paperwork he had to do for the E2, compared with an F2. He was a happy chap trashing that folder. These days, my only minder is my wife!  |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I saw this ad too, and laughed.
Hilarious. |
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Meenam
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| noob question. So if not this, what should an f2 be looking for (and where) if not something like this? Again, new to the whole f2 thing so wondering what is normal (e.g. realistic) for an f2 holder. Anyone? |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Meenam wrote: |
| noob question. So if not this, what should an f2 be looking for (and where) if not something like this? Again, new to the whole f2 thing so wondering what is normal (e.g. realistic) for an f2 holder. Anyone? |
F2's can make a lot more money working PT. The average PT salary is 40,000-50,000 per hr or so. For example, someone could work a kindy job 2 hours per day at 50,000 per hour in the morning, and teach 2 hours of adult classes in the evening, and make 4 million won in a month. There are some months where you might make 5+ million, and other months where you make 2 to 3, because of jobs coming/going.
Knowing that, you can see why F2's laugh at job offers like that above. Who the heck wants to work for a hagwon at 2.2 per month, and put in 7+ hours per day when they should be making over 5.6-7 million won for that amount of work?
I've made it known that I'd like to stay on at my university, but if they don't hire me back, I'll just go out and get PT jobs. I'll make a nice chunk more than at my university, although I will lose the vacation. |
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Meenam
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| so another noob question then, where does one find these PT jobs? From what i can tell, the job board here is geared mostly toward e2 holders. is there another source for pt jobs that i should be looking at? |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Meenam wrote: |
| so another noob question then, where does one find these PT jobs? From what i can tell, the job board here is geared mostly toward e2 holders. is there another source for pt jobs that i should be looking at? |
www.afek.info
I don't have time for the side jobs, but my friends simply put their resume up with "F-2" in the subject line around other sites like englishspectrum and worknplay. |
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Meenam
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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wow, this has totally changed my perspective on my options...
thanks for that. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Meenam wrote: |
| so another noob question then, where does one find these PT jobs? From what i can tell, the job board here is geared mostly toward e2 holders. is there another source for pt jobs that i should be looking at? |
www.afek.info
I don't have time for the side jobs, but my friends simply put their resume up with "F-2" in the subject line around other sites like englishspectrum and worknplay. |
There's nothing like the number of jobs that were up a couple of years ago.
It's also a "fight" with illegals who've weighed up cash vs fine and/or don't care and nor do the recruiters |
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