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chipsnsalsa
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 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: America to end HIV entry ban |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8334810.stm
While Korea's getting more astringent on foreigners (or is it just teachers?) entering the country, the US is about to lift their ban on HIV. (I'm kinda doubting a ton of hiv pos ppl are going to be flooding into america now, though...)
According to the article - "Mr Obama added: 'It will also take an effort to end the stigma that has stopped people from getting tested, that has stopped people from facing their own illness and that has sped the spread of this disease for far too long.'" |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| That's my Messiah: erasing all stigmas in a single bound. |
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Olivencia
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Let the diseased in to.....
infect other people
increase costs for their medical coverage |
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ytuque
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Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Why can't they just treat HIV like a disease rather than a human rights issue. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Because, they believe, it primarily has to do with discrimination against homosexuals. I await the day the left denounces it entirely as a malicious, right-wing socially-constructed thing. Modify, humanize the discourse, and that will modify and humanize this so-called disease. There is no there there, man...
Have you not read the stuff on disability indentity politics? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: America to end HIV entry ban |
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| According to the article - "Mr Obama added: 'It will also take an effort to end the stigma that has stopped people from getting tested, that has stopped people from facing their own illness and that has sped the spread of this disease for far too long.'" |
Stigma. "People" don't get tested because they aren't at risk. At risk people don't get tested because they don't care about their health, which is why they are at risk. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Finally.
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Until today's announcement, the U.S. was one of only 7 countries with laws that bar entry of people with HIV, the group noted. |
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| Why can't they just treat HIV like a disease rather than a human rights issue. |
I couldn't agree more. Treat them at medical institutions, not stop them at the border. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| "...misinformation about HIV and AIDS." |
Interesting allegation. Is this disease the incurable, highly-contagious ["it can infect any of us!" etc.], life-threatening disease the medical community has told us it is or not?
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| Treat them at medical institutions, not stop them at the border. |
We do not have this kind of money, to finance apparently unlimited foreign hiv cases, including treatment and drugs, Kuros. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| Treat them at medical institutions, not stop them at the border. |
We do not have this kind of money, to finance apparently unlimited foreign hiv cases, including treatment and drugs, Kuros. |
I said nothing about the US paying for their treatment, Gopher. In fact, I'm rather fond of the idea of financially-healthy HIV patients entering the US to spend their money on treatment. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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HIV/AIDS patients should be quarantined. What is AIDS? and infectious, often fatal disease.
That to me fits the definition of something that should result in quarantines.
This is all because of that stupid Real World guy who had AIDS. People get all emotional about the issue and don't think.
"Why does AIDS continue to infect people?" Uhh maybe its because you haven't quarantined them???
And all FTs who gripe about AIDS testing can go take a hike. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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HIV/AIDS patients should be quarantined. What is AIDS? and infectious, often fatal disease.
That to me fits the definition of something that should result in quarantines. |
Its only infectious through sexual contact or through sharing hypodermic needles.
Ignorance is far more infectious than HIV. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| ...financially-healthy HIV patients. |
Many of them, Kuros, will be entering from Haiti. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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HIV/AIDS patients should be quarantined. What is AIDS? and infectious, often fatal disease.
That to me fits the definition of something that should result in quarantines. |
Its only infectious through sexual contact or through sharing hypodermic needles.
Ignorance is far more infectious than HIV. |
And how many of those people are going to stop having sex or using IV drugs because they found out they have AIDS? Human behavior
I know from personal experience a coworker who continued to be sexually active and not tell his partners even though he knew he had the disease. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
HIV/AIDS patients should be quarantined. What is AIDS? and infectious, often fatal disease.
That to me fits the definition of something that should result in quarantines. |
Its only infectious through sexual contact or through sharing hypodermic needles.
Ignorance is far more infectious than HIV. |
And how many of those people are going to stop having sex or using IV drugs because they found out they have AIDS? Human behavior
I know from personal experience a coworker who continued to be sexually active and not tell his partners even though he knew he had the disease. |
So your take-away from this anecdote is what, people should be denied entrance to the United States solely for having HIV? |
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JMO
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:04 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what that story actually means. Is it
A) A person satisfying all other criteria to enter under whatever visa they apply for, will not be denied because they are HIV positive.
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B) All HIV patients are allowed in.
A seems reasonable whereas B doesn't. |
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