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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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And you consider the idea of alien lizards on Mars controlling people's minds on Earth as equivalent to the idea that perhaps some guys in a cave on the other side of the world may not have masterminded the 9/11 attacks against history's greatest military power.
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Au contaire, bubby. I consider people who think Bush masterminded the attack on the WTC to be flaky. I am able to grasp the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. So far, you have not. |
Somehow, the words "Bush" and "mastermind" wouldn't seem to ever belong in the same sentence.
So in your borderline, black-and-white, simplistic worldview, there is only a) Osama did it from his cave, or b) Bush "masterminded" it? There alternative scenarios? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Somehow, the words "Bush" and "mastermind" wouldn't seem to ever belong in the same sentence.
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We agree on that much, anyway.
Ummm...borderline? Who's borderline here? |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! The brilliance of rhetoric on the part of the OP! He CAN'T be a CT because, for example, the article he cited takes the title HE gave it, "9/11 no conspiracy!"
How Sir I. Berlin would've melted away in your presence!
Nope, no conspiratorial overtones evident at all in that work of scholarship. There are no "theories", that is...just, rather, "business as usual" as the cabals of "finance capitalism", the epitome of the "ruling class" meet in those secretive castles & get orgs. like the Mossad to do their evil bidding.
Amazing how the anti-capitalist, anti-Western elites(usually based in the West), in the first days & weeks after 9/11, could scarcely contain their glee with the "America/Israel/the West had it coming" routine.
Then there was that Chomskyite turn about-it WASN'T the gallant cave dwellers-nope, it was the Bush/ Mossad/CIA/ Wal-Mart crowd(take your pick  )who orchestrated the whole thing.
God, let us weep for the state of the liberal arts in Western universities! |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Wow! The brilliance of rhetoric on the part of the OP! He CAN'T be a CT because, for example, the article he cited takes the title HE gave it, "9/11 no conspiracy!" |
Sorry you were apparently unable to comprehend the piece. So far, that is more evidence that I am not a "CT," whatever that means, than you gave that I am.
This is so typical. Cited facts are not refuted; indeed, they are not even addressed, and the CT epithet it hurled out.
It always heartens me that you cannot refute my information. Believe the guy giving checkable facts, or the one calling names?
Anyway, let us not fall for the attempt to hijack, and for the sake of argument, let's say yes, I am. (In fact, I actually believe that people sometimes do conspire to do stuff together   )
Does that make any of the Top 25 Censored Stories not true? |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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"Cited [and]...checkable FACTS"! 
The article in your OP comes from a leftist nutbar site of irrationality & intolerance.
The FACT that it can be found on the net means that none of the news "stories" are censored. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Somehow, the words "Bush" and "mastermind" wouldn't seem to ever belong in the same sentence.
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We agree on that much, anyway. |
Here's something I've always wondered about. So many of the CTs say Bush is an utter moron yet they also say he masterminded the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. If he's so stupid, how'd he get that smart? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Then there was that Chomskyite turn about-it WASN'T the gallant cave dwellers-nope, it was the Bush/ Mossad/CIA/ Wal-Mart crowd(take your pick )who orchestrated the whole thing.
God, let us weep for the state of the liberal arts in Western universities! |
When has Chomsky ever said that 9-11 was an inside job? In fact he has always clearly stated the opposite (he's on record stating that "it couldn't be a conspiracy, because their plan would have leaked). Of course he ignores all the evidence and brushes it off as "nonsense". And he never mentions things like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, or the Fed. Never, ever. He's certainly correct about many things, but he never goes all the way. This is why some people consider him to be a leftist gatekeeper (controlled opposition). |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Somehow, the words "Bush" and "mastermind" wouldn't seem to ever belong in the same sentence.
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We agree on that much, anyway. |
Here's something I've always wondered about. So many of the CTs say Bush is an utter moron yet they also say he masterminded the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. If he's so stupid, how'd he get that smart? |
I think the answer is pretty obvious: Bush really always was quite smart at what he did, but was portrayed as a fool by the media (a part he played well - it was all a big joke to him). This was fed to the public at large, but I don't think it was really believed by the so-called conspiracy theorists, esp. not ones who consider 9-11 an inside job.
Anyway, Bush, like his father, knew exactly what he was doing and much of what he did do (like get us into the Iraq War) was planned in advance. His image of being a fool helped distract from this. Ultimately though, as president, he was a puppet of the same interests that Obama is now working for. The only real difference is that Bush's family is about as elite as it gets, and they were in it for the money (well documented) as much as anything. They made a killing.
Anyone who doesn't believe Bush was just acting dumb, go on youtube and search for videos of him as governor, where he is quite sharp and well spoken, compared to just a few years later when he suddenly becomes the stuttering "fool" that most people think of today. Bush was no fool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVilAlCBYc&feature=related |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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I for one am impressed by this apparent endorsement of Project Censored by one of the most respected names in modern journalism...
"Project censored is one of the organizations that we should listen to, to be assured that our newspapers and our broadcast outlets are practicing thorough and ethical journalism."
� Walter Cronkite
http://www.projectcensored.org/censorship/teachers-guide/ |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Then there was that Chomskyite turn about-it WASN'T the gallant cave dwellers-nope, it was the Bush/ Mossad/CIA/ Wal-Mart crowd(take your pick )who orchestrated the whole thing.
God, let us weep for the state of the liberal arts in Western universities! |
When has Chomsky ever said that 9-11 was an inside job? In fact he has always clearly stated the opposite (he's on record stating that "it couldn't be a conspiracy, because their plan would have leaked). Of course he ignores all the evidence and brushes it off as "nonsense". And he never mentions things like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, or the Fed. Never, ever. He's certainly correct about many things, but he never goes all the way. This is why some people consider him to be a leftist gatekeeper (controlled opposition). |
Mosley has already stated, in effect, that he doesn't check facts. What did you expect?
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I for one am impressed by this apparent endorsement of Project Censored by one of the most respected names in modern journalism...
"Project censored is one of the organizations that we should listen to, to be assured that our newspapers and our broadcast outlets are practicing thorough and ethical journalism."
� Walter Cronkite
http://www.projectcensored.org/censorship/teachers-guide/ |
So much for your
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OK, peanut gallery, that is your cue to start calling Cronkite a WONJCT. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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| Anyone who doesn't believe Bush was just acting dumb, go on youtube and search for videos of him as governor, where he is quite sharp and well spoken, compared to just a few years later when he suddenly becomes the stuttering "fool" that most people think of today. Bush was no fool. |
Maybe it's some kind of remissive disease. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Then there was that Chomskyite turn about-it WASN'T the gallant cave dwellers-nope, it was the Bush/ Mossad/CIA/ Wal-Mart crowd(take your pick )who orchestrated the whole thing.
God, let us weep for the state of the liberal arts in Western universities! |
When has Chomsky ever said that 9-11 was an inside job? In fact he has always clearly stated the opposite (he's on record stating that "it couldn't be a conspiracy, because their plan would have leaked). Of course he ignores all the evidence and brushes it off as "nonsense". And he never mentions things like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, or the Fed. Never, ever. He's certainly correct about many things, but he never goes all the way. This is why some people consider him to be a leftist gatekeeper (controlled opposition). |
So who is controlling Chomsky? |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Who's controlling Chomsky? Well according to a guy I met some yrs. ago, who has an MA from a Canuck univ., Chomsky is a shill on a CIA payroll to discredit the Left! Mind you, this same guy claims the Mossad was responsible for 9/11. Ah, the halls of Western "higher" education....
When I mentioned "Chomskyite" in an above post, I was referring to his methodology. The classic example of the Chomskyite route of approach in looking at "the facts" involved, of course, the Khmer Rouge. You know the routine, right? When reports of Khmer Rouge atrocities reached the West, Chomsky's response went something to the tune of:
1. Complete BS-Western/US propaganda.
2. Er, uh, some atrocities...but not nearly as bad as Western propaganda made them out to be.
3. Ah, ha! Pretty bad atrocities! Made possible by the power vacuum in Indochina...all provided by US imperialism!
4. Ah, ha! No. 3 was no accident: it was a plot by the US military-industrial complex to manufacture totalitarian social engineering in SE Asia...that way the US involvement in the region could be justified(a faux attempt to bring peace & freedom to Vietnam and area).
A lot of this "best of both worlds" conspiracy theory crapola can be laid at the feet of Karl Marx. The capitalist is evil, wicked, powerful AND the unknowing "gravedigger" of his own demise(cf. w/ Dubya the moron/evil mastermind). Moral relativism reigns supreme AND the ''enemies of the people'' are evil. The IDF firing on targets set up by Hezballah is evil BUT Hezballah setting up civilians to be targetted as such is justifiable...even noble. And on it goes....
What can be better than claiming the very lack of proof of conspiracy PROVES that there is a conspiracy! In essence, this is the sort of rubbish that Karl Popper aimed his sights at in the anti-Marxist portion of his THE OPEN SOCIETY & ITS ENEMIES. Marxism is not falsifiable therefore not ''scientific." Or, to put it in somewhat non-academic terms, a complete crock of s***. |
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