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Askin' someone their religious affiliation is rude (poll)
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It's always okay, people should be proud and open to just say what they believe...
41%
 41%  [ 17 ]
It's something private, only ask if it's clear it's okay
39%
 39%  [ 16 ]
Why should you bother asking and putting someone in a box?
17%
 17%  [ 7 ]
Ask in a round-about way by asking if they celebrate certain holidays...
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChopChaeJoe wrote:
I can't understand why it would be rude. If you have a religion, then you believe that you know a truth. Is it rude to ask where the post office is? What are people, ashamed of their beliefs? As for Xtians and some other religions, they are commanded to spread the word, so they should already be in your face about it without you asking.

Just saying.


The reason why it became rude in the West is becase we have a history of Catholics killing Protestants and vice versa and people even burned at the stake and there is also a separation of church-and-state in most Western countries. If someone is in a generally conservative area and is rather secular and doesn't want to be asked about religion because if he or she gives a different answer he may be preached to, because, in the end, people often want to put you in a box and infringe on your privacy.
Faitrh is a private affair. It shouldn't really be a public thing.


Have we killed each other over if you like the post office or not? You have people in America like the actor Kirk Cameron who want to bring Bibles into school, thought at least 25% of Americans aren't Christian if not more. Religion is often associated with some psychological or physical violence against those who are other. It also often entails categorizing people. That's often how non-religious people look at it, and they have historical reasons to feel that way.

Why does someone need to know your religion? Also, why assume someone has one when 20% of Americans don't really have one and less Canadians have one and less British people do? It's an outdated idea to make such assumptions or probe into it unless you know a person is very comfortable with that, you know them well enough.

I wouldn't ask anyone of any nationality unless it's clear from the things they're saying and they mention spirituality.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't want to answer, then don't. I'm more than happy to talk about my spiritual journey.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The line 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven', actually contains a glaring typo. The Greek words for "rope" & "camel" are very similar. Just one example of human error when transcribing from one language to another.

One explanation for the confusion between rope and camel is that rope was made from camel hair; the words were kamilos (camel) and kam�los (rope). An understandable mistake.

Another explanation is that there is no mistake; the meaning of the line may be that God can do for man what man cannot do on his own -- i.e. pass through the eye of a needle.

I'm not disputing that there are translation errors in scripture, and I certainly want the thread to stay on topic, but I thought I would throw this in.

You know, I'm not this pedantic in real life. I don't talk about theology unless it's already the topic for some reason. Religion and politics! Not until you know someone a little better.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject: Religion Reply with quote

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One explanation for the confusion between rope and camel is that rope was made from camel hair; the words were kamilos (camel) and kam�los (rope). An understandable mistake.


Bingo! That's exactly what I've read previously, too.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
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The line 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven', actually contains a glaring typo. The Greek words for "rope" & "camel" are very similar. Just one example of human error when transcribing from one language to another.

One explanation for the confusion between rope and camel is that rope was made from camel hair; the words were kamilos (camel) and kam�los (rope). An understandable mistake.

Another explanation is that there is no mistake; the meaning of the line may be that God can do for man what man cannot do on his own -- i.e. pass through the eye of a needle.

I'm not disputing that there are translation errors in scripture, and I certainly want the thread to stay on topic, but I thought I would throw this in.

You know, I'm not this pedantic in real life. I don't talk about theology unless it's already the topic for some reason. Religion and politics! Not until you know someone a little better.



Well, couldn't we look at the Greek version of what was written in this case? We do run into problems when we're dealing with translations of religious texts and also we run into problems when we try to jive historical accounts and the lack of historical accounts when it comes to religious persons. For example, where are the Egyptian records pertaining to Moses in Egypt? They haven't found anything.

There are so many things we do not know. For example, why are there only historical accounts regarding Jesus after he died. Personally, I do think Jesus is a wonderful historical figure. The first account we have of him, I believe, is with Josephus.

Anyway, that's another story. The point is many people these days also have a problem with established religion versus non-established faiths in contemporary Western society and also the background of the confessional wars our ancestors endured. The established churches, in the past, used their power to psychologically and physically suppress those they didn't agree with including those of other groups.

I wouldn't blame a Jesus for that, but I think in many cases those who call themselves Jews, Christians, or Muslims focus too much on the fact that they adhere to a club, an earthly form called religion, which is arbitrary, and those of who are sort of modern about these things and don't want to explain ourselves would rather not discuss religion.

As I said, I haven't really prayed in a temple in some years, though I did enjoy it when I did. I am not sure I see the point in declaring myself affiliated as part of an established faith to a stranger since I don't demonstrate such things.

I also think that you shouldn't ask people questions such as "Are you Mexican"? You should ask the person where they're from? Ethnicity and religion are different. I am sometimes curious about someone's religion, but I won't ask. I will let them volunteer that information if they so choose.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Social norms, people. It is considerted rude by society. It says so in my textbook.
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP



Joined: 28 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:
Social norms, people. It is considerted rude by society. It says so in my textbook.


Yeah but that's only coz your one of 'them' and not one of 'us.'
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote:
Hanson wrote:
Social norms, people. It is considerted rude by society. It says so in my textbook.


Yeah but that's only coz your one of 'them' and not one of 'us.'


Exactly.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Religion is a waste of time, and I don't have time to waste now. Maybe when I'm a little older, and if I can find a cult of some form that doesn't want contributions.
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UknowsI



Joined: 16 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any problems asking and being asked about my religion as long as they don't make a discussion about it afterwards. But to start discussing religion is something I find rude. But I like to know what religion my friends have since I will then try to not ask them to do anything that is against their believes. If someone is a Muslim I will never cook him pork, if someone is Hindu I will not cook beef for him and when it comes to Christian or Muslims I will make it easier for them to decline if I offer them alcohol. In general I try to respect their moral believes, but the easiest example was with food.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a lot of success recently with making Korean christians go away quickly.

If they understand a little English, I say, 'my religious belief is a private matter and I think it's rude to ask strangers in the street about it'.......wow....they back off right away!!

I think it works because they probably know it is rude to stop people in the street and ask them questions about religion. But they are under such great pressure from their church/pastor to get new fee-paying members.....they forget their manners.
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Leyana



Joined: 19 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disclosure: I'm an atheist.

I personally feel it's not what you ask, it's how.

1.) "Do you have a religion?"

I think this question is fine. Even better when prefaced with, "Can I ask you," or any other phrase designed to make it more polite. - as in "May I ask you, do you have a religion?"

Reasoning:
Person answering question can say yes/no/or evade without looking like a douche. In addition, they can elaborate if they choose to - (yes, I'm a christian/buddhist/whatever) or not elaborate. (Yes.)

2.) Are you a Christian?
3.) Do you believe in God?

I hate both of these questions. I think they're ridiculously... what's the religious equivalent of ethnocentric? The wording of the question has divided all answers into the categories of Christians/non-Christians, with everybody in the non-Christian box essentially the same. (As in, atheists, buddhists, muslims, all in the same "non-Christian" box.) Additionally, the asker of the question has immediately assigned a value to those boxes by the wording of the question.

I also think that just telling people not to discuss religion misses an essential point - its not what you say, but how. MANY westerners discuss religion when first meeting and I think many people are not offended or consider it rude, depending on how the question is asked.

It comes down to context and presentation a lot more than subject matter for me.

I doubt I would tell someone in the street that their question was rude; I think that if you said it was a "private matter", most people would automatically back off and perhaps feel a little embarrassed. Giving them an outright lesson in manners is kind of rude too, in my opinion. I've been rude without thinking it through too well before a number of times, only to be embarrassed upon analyzing my actions.
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Mithrae



Joined: 22 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I object to most is when your employer, on the first day of work, asks if you believe in Jesus. None of your friggin business, pal. I find that crosses a line, and there should be laws against it. It's a form of harrassment. The workplace should be religion neutral. After all, you can tell the clown on the street to piss off. You can't really say that to your principal.

My personal beliefs about the origins of the universe, and the origins of life on earth, are none of my employer's business and have no bearing on my ability to teach English effectively.
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pangaea



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are people, ashamed of their beliefs?


I have settled comfortably somewhere between agnosticism and atheism. I am not ashamed of that. I just don't feel like getting in conversations with people who will look at me as if I have grown another head and just told them I like to eat babies. I live in the south and I think I have only been asked one time about my religious affiliation but I have been asked countless times what church I go to. People here just assume that everyone else is a Christian and either goes to church or wants to go to church but hasn't found the right one. I think if I told them I followed just about any religion it would be acceptable, or at least understandable to them. Admitting to be an atheist would not be. People are tolerant of other religions up to a point - but someone not believing in God is just not something they are capable of understanding or accepting. To my disappointment, I have met very few people who are open minded and willing to accept or even celebrate differences in other people when it comes to religion. Maybe I find being asked my religion is rude because of my particular beliefs. It may not bother someone who is a devout Christian because their religion is widely accepted and there is a better than average chance that the person asking shares their beliefs. I personally don't like being asked about my religion because I have to either (a)dodge the question and try to come up with a noncommittal response or (b) admit that I am an atheist and deal with the resulting confusion/disbelief/anger/attempts at conversion. I do enjoy learning about other religions, discussing my beliefs with open minded people, and even getting in friendly debates on the subject. I just resent being put in the position of defending my beliefs when there is nothing harmful about them.
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