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Gord
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| The only Korean immigration thing that offends me is Korean women flying to the US just to have their baby in the US and get citizenship and education for it. That's clearly an abuse of our system, and it's our fault for leaving ourselves open to it. Congress needs to review that, pass a law that will eliminate it, and revoke the citizenship of Koreans and anyone else who was born in the US under those circumstances. |
Most Koreans born in this scenario don't actually have their education done in the U.S. It's simply so that they will have more options open to them later in life. I have a few students who are technically Americans but have never been there since they were born. That's because Korean already has first world status and a functioning education system.
Though the problem of which you speak is quite common amongst children of Mexican parents as Mexico is a third world nation with a poor education system. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Vince wrote: |
| The only Korean immigration thing that offends me is Korean women flying to the US just to have their baby in the US and get citizenship and education for it. That's clearly an abuse of our system, and it's our fault for leaving ourselves open to it. Congress needs to review that, pass a law that will eliminate it, and revoke the citizenship of Koreans and anyone else who was born in the US under those circumstances. |
Most Koreans born in this scenario don't actually have their education done in the U.S. It's simply so that they will have more options open to them later in life. I have a few students who are technically Americans but have never been there since they were born. That's because Korean already has first world status and a functioning education system.
Though the problem of which you speak is quite common amongst children of Mexican parents as Mexico is a third world nation with a poor education system. |
I searched in vain for statistics that show the percentage of Koreans born in the US who then return to Korea without undergoing an American education. Have you got a link to any figures? Thanks.
However, I found these articles.These articles point out the double standard of the Korean citizenship rules. Americans born in Korea don't benefit from citizenship.
http://www.americandaily.com/item/112
http://library.adoption.com/Interracial-Multicultural-Adoption/The-Adopted-Koreans-Diaspora-Politics-and-the-Construction-of-an-Ethnic-Identity/article/502/2.html |
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Homer
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Get back on your meds G-boy..really now its becoming pathetic.
Commie??? 
What does that have to do with anything...
Ok lets see...why don't you stick that in your pie hole you cigar chewing, corporate lovin, gun totin, capitalist pig....
Any relevance to the previous statement? Nope...but hey thats how you like things g-boy...
You are a clown...its good to have clowns |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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I don't think it rises to the level of a human rights violation, but the Korean government is anti foreigner.
Which is ironic because it owes everything to foreigners.
Compare its laws and policies to those in Japan and Taiwan, two countires with similar population density. And Taiwan arguably has a much bigger security problem.
I respect Koreans - I wish more of them were in the United States- but I have nothing good to say about the Korean government. |
Do you think that the Korean government is anti-foreigner because it reflects the feelings of the majority of its citizens or did the Korean government just get a wild hair up its ass and promote anti-foreigner policies in contravention of the xenophilia of the Korean people? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Vince wrote: |
| The only Korean immigration thing that offends me is Korean women flying to the US just to have their baby in the US and get citizenship and education for it. That's clearly an abuse of our system, and it's our fault for leaving ourselves open to it. Congress needs to review that, pass a law that will eliminate it, and revoke the citizenship of Koreans and anyone else who was born in the US under those circumstances. |
Most Koreans born in this scenario don't actually have their education done in the U.S. It's simply so that they will have more options open to them later in life. |
As Korea has first-world status and a functioning education system, what options are these? The only option that seems to matter is the option to avoid mandatory military service. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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Get back on your meds G-boy..really now its becoming pathetic.
Commie???
What does that have to do with anything...
Ok lets see...why don't you stick that in your pie hole you cigar chewing, corporate lovin, gun totin, capitalist pig....
Any relevance to the previous statement? Nope...but hey thats how you like things g-boy...
You are a clown...its good to have clowns |
You deserved it all. You have ignored all the links I posted so why should I treat you with respect? Your "opinion" was irrelevant. It is rather like me opining that the capital of France is Lille. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Whatever you say genius. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| "G-boy" has the law on his side here, and you Homer have the "na na na I can't hear you" approach on your side. You've had your *ss kicked, why not just admit it and move on? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Whatever you say K-boy...
However...what ass K are you refering too?
I said that I respected his (and yours you tag teamer you) opinion on the matter and that I kept mine...thats called adult debating.
I do not care one iota what you think about my views kiwi...you see these discussions as a pissing contest where you must come out on top and where the other must automatically agree with your conclusions.
Well thats not how I do things. I agree the law is there but it is also my view that laws on paper and laws in real life have degrees. In the case of human rights thats even more true.
But hey, lets drop it because as I said many, many times in this very thread...ITS OVER....DEBATE OVER.
You want the "win" hey man knock yourself out. You and G-boy can go dance together and hold each other real tight to bask in the glow of your "victory".... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
I don't think it rises to the level of a human rights violation, but the Korean government is anti foreigner.
Which is ironic because it owes everything to foreigners.
Compare its laws and policies to those in Japan and Taiwan, two countires with similar population density. And Taiwan arguably has a much bigger security problem.
I respect Koreans - I wish more of them were in the United States- but I have nothing good to say about the Korean government. |
Do you think that the Korean government is anti-foreigner because it reflects the feelings of the majority of its citizens or did the Korean government just get a wild hair up its ass and promote anti-foreigner policies in contravention of the xenophilia of the Korean people? |
The former , but when Koreans get to the US they are pretty okay.
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Homer wrote: |
you see these discussions as a pissing contest where you must come out on top and where the other must automatically agree with your conclusions.
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Homer, you presume a lot about how I see these discussions. I understand that in most threads we are just batting ideas round, and most threads do not ever have to solved with a clear answer and a "winner". But I'm just saying this particular debate has a clear cut answer provided by a reputable website, but even when faced with this evidence you don't want to acknowledge the facts. |
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Gord
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Homer, you presume a lot about how I see these discussions. I understand that in most threads we are just batting ideas round, and most threads do not ever have to solved with a clear answer and a "winner". But I'm just saying this particular debate has a clear cut answer provided by a reputable website, but even when faced with this evidence you don't want to acknowledge the facts. |
The first link provided was an editorial that both misrepresented the numbers being cited, but then used circumstancial theory and conjecture to try and convey the message they wanted to present irregardless if the numbers would support what they were trying to say.
Example: It cites that 5000 "anchor babies" are born in the U.S. every year from a Korean mother and cites that such children can now use the "vastly superior U.S. education system" and that they can sponsor their parents when they turn 21, but fails to provide any sort of evidence that this is happening in appreciable numbers. Plus it cites that military avoidance is a prime reason for being born in the U.S. while failing to mention that the number of Korean girls serving as "anchor babies" born in the U.S. is in the neighborhood of 40% and girls are not forced to do military service. If military avoidance is a concern, then people are going to make sure they are going to deliver a boy before dropping 10K on a flight, hospital, and several months staying in the U.S.
Plus it cites that Korea is in the export market for children without bringing up current adoption statistics, and then manufactures a reason why this is without backing it up.
I've seen better postings on this forum, and those are just generally people knocking things off between classes. It was an editorial written by a guy who doesn't want people "abusing the system" as he sees it, and threw out anything that he hoped would be mistaken as supporting his position.
The second one didn't load when I tried to read it. I'll go back and try again. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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| Homer, you presume a lot about how I see these discussions. I understand that in most threads we are just batting ideas round, and most threads do not ever have to solved with a clear answer and a "winner". But I'm just saying this particular debate has a clear cut answer provided by a reputable website, but even when faced with this evidence you don't want to acknowledge the facts. |
The first link provided was an editorial that both misrepresented the numbers being cited, but then used circumstancial theory and conjecture to try and convey the message they wanted to present irregardless if the numbers would support what they were trying |
This is about a different issue. I suggest that you read the previous pages. I argued that the non-payment of wages is an abuse of human rights. I have posted links to this. Homer argued otherwise. Kiwi agreed with myself. Kiwi hasn't made an opinion on the articles I posted about Koreans being born in the USA. |
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Gord
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| This is about a different issue. I suggest that you read the previous pages. I argued that the non-payment of wages is an abuse of human rights. I have posted links to this. Homer argued otherwise. Kiwi agreed with myself. Kiwi hasn't made an opinion on the articles I posted about Koreans being born in the USA. |
Oh. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Gord, yes, I'm only talking about the fact that the non-payment of wages is classed as a human rights violation. I'm not in on the babies in america part of this. |
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