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Steelrails · Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System

Well as for my moranic opinion (I wasn't offended) , which well it might be, I still consider the apt. 'free'. Our pay at the base level is superior to a K-teacher who has a teaching certificate, throw in the apt. and yeah, I consider it free.

There are some jobs out there where they don't supply housing, but most of us have paid-for apts.

I was 'subjected' to the same AIDS tests, drug tests, CBCs, and what not as everyone else. Being ethnically Korean, I also had to provide numerous other documents to jump through the hurdles to get an F-4. This is called standard bureaucracy. I knew the requirements before I signed, I knew that K-citizens did not have to go through those things. That was okay by me. I don't feel 'wronged'.

As for street-racism here, Kyopos and Adoptees get their fair share of it too. So we're still even on that score.

Do I hate Korea? No. Do I think its a 'racist' country, no. Seriously, what is so grievous about the AIDS test? If the worst thing in your life is that once a year you have to take an AIDS test while a Korean person does not, you've lucked out pretty well on the spinning wheel of misfortune.

BTW Old Gil where were you on the thread about racism against Asian-Americans in the Hagwon industry? What's your stance on foreigner only bars in Korea? For every incident of a Korean person taunting a foreigner, how many incidents do you think occur where Foreigners taunt Koreans? We all know that one guy who just constantly runs his mouth at the locals every chance he gets. Are we really that much better? If you took on balance the favorable treatment we get because we are foreign, the times we say bad/bigoted things about Koreans/to them, and match that to the 'racism' we face, I think the balance is close enough one way or the other.

Hagwons are not racist. Inept, Soul-Sucking, Criminal, Slipshod, and derelict, yes, but not racist.

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komerican · Joined: 17 Dec 2006

I see your point. The Korean gov. has done a poor job in training Korean English conversation teachers. Up to now they've only paid for short teacher training courses. Lately though they've expanded to longer TESOL programs which I think will help a lot. They need to focus more on diploma or certificate length courses and also give more opportunities for Koreans to experience running a class.

It takes time to become a good teacher and with the right amount of in class experience and extensive TESOL training Koreans can become great teachers. There will always be jobs for native english speakers though.

nautilus · Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

freethought · Joined: 13 Mar 2005

I gave up on this and several other threads long ago. The positions/perspectives are so 'blind' that it's scary.

But on that point, I have a question which might clear something up:

(since I can't put a poll in at this stage, I'll just ask the question)

1. For those that continue to maintain that the HIV test IS NOT an issue of racism, do you find anything racist/bigoted in Korea at all? And I don't mean small little things, but on a larger scale, so general attitudes, policies etc

2. Is it fair to say that those arguing that the HIV test IS an issue of racism, that you find many things to be racist or bigoted in this country?

I"m predicting that the defenders of the policy, if they respond to this post, will say they don't find many/any problems regarding race in Korea. And I am also predicting that the other sides finds many issues. And I think the answers to these questions will reveal just how absolutely pointless and endless this 'debate' has been. Because one side finds no fault whatsoever.

For the record, this week alone I had two university students say 'F-U' thinking that I couldn't here them since my ipod was on. And the lovely old man sitting outside a store once again informed me that "Korea is for Koreans".

nautilus · Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

Steelrails · Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System

fermentation · Joined: 22 Jun 2009

freethought · Joined: 13 Mar 2005

The fact that you defend the old man is disturbing. Seriously. I have never said a word to him in the two years I have walked passed him. And in those two years he has told me, without reason or cause, that Korea is for koreans. It's racist pure and simple, and no ifs, ands or buts. and you defending it is wrong. Moreover, I never said ANYTHING about Korea not being for koreans, I simply quoted the old man. And your response goes right to the heart of why I made my post. You are DEFENDING something that is clearly an act of intolerance and bigotry on his part. Think about that.

Furthermore:

1. I was INVITED here. As were the vast majority of foreigners in this country, since we have to be here with a visa. So it's not a matter of whether korea is for koreans or not, but a fact that they invited us. So there is NO CAUSE for the old man to say what he says.

2. South Korea wouldn't exist if it wasn't for non-koreans. If they can bring up Japan at every turn, I think it's high time we pointed out they'd all be starving to death and praising dear leader, so they can shut the F--k up about how bad foreigners are.

3. my grand father won canada's second highest military honour during the korean war. took two bullets and continued to do his job until they could remove him to the rear. What I should do to this piece of filth old man is shoot him twice and see how he likes it.--- normally I never bring my grand father up since I view it as irrelevant, but I think in this case it deserves mentioning.

Anyway, you've proved my point quite well, thank you. Those that are defending the E2 policy really will defend anything. I can once again ignore this thread.